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How many weeks skiing per year to justify economically buying your own skis?

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I buy, because I have bought for nearly 40 years. It's not a good reason and doesn't make financial sense...but Hey, I'm a slightly (Ok, more than slightly) bonkers snowHead .......and I like owning skis. Toofy Grin
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Of course there are people who keep the same pair for years and years. Won't tell you how old mine are.......
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Yep..so as the sap starts draining back down the trees, the shorts haven't been out of the cupboard in a while, the rides along with the light are defiantly getting muddier, blizzardy highlands swirl on the edges of imagination. No snow yet...anywhere, so, gear up.
Scratch the junky itch and you will ski better...of course.
Those turns you've made in your head ARE because of the those perfect skis and lets face it you have made some seriously good ones up there.
From Walter Mitty to Candide Thorex in a simple mollifying transaction.
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This is such a daft question Toofy Grin Toofy Grin

The answer of course is that you need 1 pair of skis for every 2 weeks you ski.

I usually manage 6-8 and alas have 4 sets of skis. Its only natural of course that I take 3 on holiday with me, because of course I don't want them to feel lonely at home.

Wife thinks im bonkers, so I threatened to get into bikes. Conversation over, I won. Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin

Only advice I can give is you need more than 1 pair, they absolutely must be bought based on colour, and you must replace at least 1 pair a year, anything less and you are just cheap Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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The only thing is, once you start on that journey of looking for the perfect ski, it's never over!! You're always nearly there. It can't possibly be the technique that's to blame Very Happy

I've had my own skis since 2005 and I'm only on my 5th pair, unlike the Imelda Marcos of skis above wink . I like my current ones very much (Rossignol Temptation 80s) but my NEXT ones will be even better Little Angel Little Angel Little Angel

Oh, I usually do 2 or 3 weeks a year, although only one week proper this year and a long weekend on hire skis.
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The only thing is, once you start on that journey of looking for the perfect ski, it's never over!! You're always nearly there. It can't possibly be the technique that's to blame Very Happy

I've had my own skis since 2005 and I'm only on my 5th pair, unlike the Imelda Marcos of skis above wink . I like my current ones very much (Rossignol Temptation 80s) but my NEXT ones will be even better Little Angel Little Angel Little Angel


I am totally with you here, I thought that with my Titans, but now with my Head ISL, Head I Speeds and Kastle FX95HPs, its true ski porn. I tried a load of skis this year and none have beaten that combo yet. Very depressing as ive now not bought a new set Sad
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@Mjit, very useful cost analysis and a good guide.
Is your cost for renting skis the best value available at £165 per week?

I can see premium grade piste, freeride or all mountain skis for about £110 in late January, for example, also in Avoriaz.

That would change the comparative costs between buy and rent significantly.


I just went on to a certain ski hire agency, picked Avoriaz (because it's a popular resort I ski regularly), picked a random hire shop, a week in Feb and went with the skis in the top class picture to generate some numbers.

If you go with £110 hire skis then you basically break even after 8 weeks (£880 hired/£885 owned) and start saving from week 9 (£990 hired/£942 owned).
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Since when has it been necessary to justify buying new skis?
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@James the Last, I'm interested in what you think is the innovation of the last 3 years that has made all skis pre 2016 obsolete ?


I think you'll find I put obsolete in inverted commas. This:

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Kit!
Everyone needs more kit!


HoneyBunny wrote:
I've had my own skis since 2005 and I'm only on my 5th pair,


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I don't need more skis but Atomic has a fully customisable graphics top-sheet option on their Backland 107 model this year - I've got several designs backed up on their server already. I really don't need them, but I am seriously having trouble controlling my mouse and my wallet over these ! I think this is only going to end one way - HELP. Laughing
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1 days (first time on a mountains) every self respecting skier/boarder should have their own gear on day number 2....... Toofy Grin


Take my sister as a example she and her family at starting skiing this season. Boots are no brainer so forgot about them just now. She hits Davos on mid term and quick price of rental skis plus boots are approx £190 (intersport online), probably end up with a pile of crap.... She can buy a beginner set of skis, couple of season old stock but brand new for £150-200 ...... Luckily she is flying out with swiss so no ski carriage. If she doesn't enjoy the holiday stick them online for £50..... I think a beginner set would suit her for at least 3-4 weeks.....

So the real question is..... is it economical to rent skis at all?????
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I don’t think anyone is challenging the right of snowHeads to fill their lives, or even their whole neighbourhoods, with as many skis as they like Very Happy

Just that the OP, @waitrose, asked about ski buying from an economic viewpoint. I think there’s a guide to that in this thread and plenty extra. As always, SnowHeads generous with their experience and time.
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@Mjit, thanks again. Since I started renting again, a few years ago, I’ve always opted for the high end, most expensive kit.

I consider anything over £100 for 6 days hire as a rip off. I do shop around, use offers available and often get loyalty discount too.

Lots of variables but I think your estimate of break even after about 8 weeks sounds about right to me.
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Hmm 8 weeks - so 48 days +/- on each pair of skis I own. It'll be a challenge but I'm willing to give it a crack. I suspect the snowboards will drag me down though
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Really you have to turn the question around
I own skis how many days do I now need to ski?
If it is more than before then they must be worth the purchase price.

Skiing is not really the right sport to be justified by comparable spend.
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Super Steezy wrote:
Skiing is not really the right sport to be justified by comparable spend.

I remember years ago there was this arrogant prat on here saying in effect that people who had to work to a budget on ski trips shouldn't be going aka it's a rich mans sport. Big bony bol-locks IMVHO. But then I am a man of the people.

Note: not saying Steezy is an arrogant prat - I accept the jocular nature of his post. Merely pointing out that IMO there is nothing wrong with doing a bit of maths before making a decision on what is best for you.
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The other big plus of having your own skis is that you are straight out on the slopes, not waiting in a hire shop queue first afternoon knowing that the Tour operator deal is with whoever gives them the greatest kickback. And not messing around returning them and relying on whatever crap they give you be bronze silver or gold!
I reckon that you get at least an extra half days skiing per week having your own! That's worth more to me than the odd £50. You also buy in sale times i've just bought a pair of Black Crows retailing at £600 for £300 ok so they need carriage and servicing but if you look after them you'll usually get back 50%of what you paid 3 yrs down the line if you buy right!
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@marksovereign, I always get my hire skis from the shop on the afternoon or evening I arrive. I then go out to ski on them first thing next morning, which is when my lift pass starts.

On a typical 1 week trip, flight + transfer, all being well, I ski for 6 days. The only time I’ve exceeded that is when travelling overnight by coach or train, arriving early morning then straight onto slopes.

Struggle to see how most people would get an extra half day per week skiing just through owning skis.
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@waitrose, if you have to ask . . . you must be a girl. NKS (new kit syndrome) is predominantly a bloke issue . . . Have you seen a Ducati Diavel Puzzled it's a wankfest on wheels Shocked

It's the same with us skiers. Once the bug bites it can take less than 24hrs for the wallet to be crowbar'd open Confused
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@Masque, Diavel? Monster, please!
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PeakyB wrote:
@marksovereign, I always get my hire skis from the shop on the afternoon or evening I arrive. I then go out to ski on them first thing next morning, which is when my lift pass starts.

On a typical 1 week trip, flight + transfer, all being well, I ski for 6 days. The only time I’ve exceeded that is when travelling overnight by coach or train, arriving early morning then straight onto slopes.

Struggle to see how most people would get an extra half day per week skiing just through owning skis.


In the ski amade you can ski from 3pm the day before your pass starts. And/or you could buy a 3 hour afternoon pass
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@Masque, Diavel? Monster, please!
Oh 'middle of the road child' Crying or Very sad (sad face) . . . The vanilla cornetto of Ducati . . . The Hypermotard, Panigale, the Diavel. . . All are exquisite scrotum jewellery . . . the monster is a beige wool jockstrap knitted by yer granny rolling eyes
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PeakyB wrote:
@marksovereign, I always get my hire skis from the shop on the afternoon or evening I arrive. I then go out to ski on them first thing next morning, which is when my lift pass starts.

On a typical 1 week trip, flight + transfer, all being well, I ski for 6 days. The only time I’ve exceeded that is when travelling overnight by coach or train, arriving early morning then straight onto slopes.

Struggle to see how most people would get an extra half day per week skiing just through owning skis.


In the ski amade you can ski from 3pm the day before your pass starts. And/or you could buy a 3 hour afternoon pass


Excellent- thanks for this. We are going on Feb and have now got us all skis and boots, we should be in resort not too long after lunch and was hoping we might be able to ski a little bit on the afternoon. This is perfect snowHead


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Brilliant Happy

Thanks. We got Keira kitted our with skis, boots and poles second hand for £50. Was going to cost us £45 just to hire for our first week let alone the second week (which was coming in cheaper). Yes the needed a good service but no problem as I have already invested in that stuff.
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PeakyB wrote:
@MjitLots of variables but I think your estimate of break even after about 8 weeks sounds about right to me.
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Agreed re lots of variables, but I don't think hiring skis is, generally, cheaper than *BUYING*.

Just checking on Alpinresorts in Tignes Val Claret, 5* skis are £46 for the week. OP doesn't need super-premium skis - even if he pays for them he won't be given them once he has told the man in the shop what his experience level is. It will cost you almost that to have them serviced - and that's before you factor in carriage (and Swiss are more expensive than Easyjet, for all that the carriage is 'free' so there's no such thing as 'free' carriage unless you drive). And you can DIY service, but that's another level of faff and fun - and time.

Now, if you want to buy your own skis, buy them. But if you want to know whether it is going to save you money, the answer is probably not and possibly quite the reverse. But the amount of money it's going to save you, or cost you, in the context of a ski holiday probably doesn't matter anyway.

And the big plus of hiring skis is that you can change them when the snow changes. Free. Because you really needed to have bought two sets of skis. Or three. snowHead


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Rental skis are for losers.

Buy your own skis.

Good kit is essential.
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@waitrose, if you have to ask . . . you must be a girl. NKS (new kit syndrome) is predominantly a bloke issue . . . Have you seen a Ducati Diavel Puzzled it's a wankfest on wheels Shocked

It's the same with us skiers. Once the bug bites it can take less than 24hrs for the wallet to be crowbar'd open Confused


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@James the Last, Agreed re lots of variables, but I don't think hiring skis is, generally, cheaper than renting.

I think think hiring is almost always cheaper than renting. Very Happy
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Owning your own skis is much more cost effective, hiring skis for 1 week at say £80 pw makes you feel good for 1 week. Cost = £80pw. Buying skis at £520 (just for the easy maths) makes you feel good for 52 weeks. Cost £10pw.

Much more cost effective. Madeye-Smiley wink Shocked
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@James the Last, on that basis I need new skis! Mine are 2012. I’m not going to question your methodology. Just ... new skis Very Happy
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You don't have to justify it economically, just buy them and enjoy 'em.
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No, you DO need to justify it economically. To yourself, if not to anyone else Smile

For my first pair of skis there was even a spreadsheet...where the differnt variables could be tweaked until it gave me the answer I wanted.
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This is money well spent.

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If you drink shop bought coffee, just stop. Two pairs of skis a year paid for and a large part of you life saved by not waiting for them to make the stuff. snowHead
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Silly question really. The economics and skiing are not comfortable bedfellows.

Economically- don't buy skis and certainly don't go skiing.

Emotionally- ski as much as you can, buy more and more and more skis.
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ed123 wrote:
Silly question really. The economics and skiing are not comfortable bedfellows.

Economically- don't buy skis and certainly don't go skiing.

Emotionally- ski as much as you can, buy more and more and more skis.

If you spend tons of £££ on gear you'll be able to afford fewer ski holidays.

What would rather have a garage full of shiny planks or an extra week on the slopes?
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@Layne, I moved to the Alps just so that I could buy more skis without it impacting on my skiing time. There is always a way Toofy Grin
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it cost about £20/30 for hold luggage and about £30/40 for ski quipment. I pay for the ski equipment and put my cloths in with my ski equipment the rest goes in my cabin bag.
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@Layne, I moved to the Alps just so that I could buy more skis without it impacting on my skiing time. There is always a way Toofy Grin

That's cheating and I hate you NehNeh NehNeh Laughing Laughing
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