Many hikers and climbers are well equipped.
"The equipment usually fits ok, is of high quality," says Hochstaffl.
"Only the way it is used is more than often questionable.
It's really a miracle that is not happening a lot more".
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
The mountains are full of old people in the Summer, losing their balance and falling over clifftops.
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@stanton, simple statistics, more people venture into the mountains in summer than in winter, also in winter the overwhelming majority are in a semi controlled environment. Accidents will always happen, even if the risk is actually very small (it is) if lots of people are there then a few will be involved in an accident. Far higher long term risk health sitting at home watching TV doing little exercise.
@munich_irish, really? I always find the mountains much emptier in summer than in winter. But those that are there tend to be much older and less fit. Also there are many fewer safety barriers and safety patrols than in winter.
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@ringingmaster, I agree with@munich_irish, the ski resorts will probably we busier in the winter than the summer, but they only cover a tiny part of the mountains.
As an example if I venture into that range of hills between val d'isere and the Italianborder Iin the summer I will come across lots of people. In the winter I doubt any one goes there.
At the moment I'm in the dolomites and the place is very busy. In the winter only the ski resorts are busy.
@ringingmaster, here in the dolomites I would say most of the visitors are much younger and fitter than the average skier. Just saw a group setting out from canazai to cycle up (I expect) the pordoi pass. Most of the hikers and climbers also look in better shape than the majority of skiers
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So how come there is so much spare accommodation in the summer?
After all it is free
After all it is free
@ringingmaster, Yes in ski resorts but there is lots of accomdation available elsewhere that is not used during the winter
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In Tirol gab es insgesamt 41 Todesopfer, davon 27 beim Bergwandern, 4 beim Klettern (3x Klettersteig, 1 x klassisch Alpin Klettern), 2 bei einem Flugunfall, je ein Toter auf Hochtour und Mountainbiken und 6 Personen entfallen unter Sonstiges.
In Tirol (2017) there were a total of 41 deaths, 27 from mountain walking, 4 from climbing (3 Klettersteig/Via ferreta, 1 classic alpine climbing), 2 in a plane crash one on a high mountain tour, 1 on a mountainbike and 6 others/unspecified.
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Most of the mountain-walking deaths are through cardiovascular disorders (43%) slips / loss of balance were the second most common cause (26%) and falls came in third (16%).
When the summer is mild the mountain temps are often in single digits and not so attractive. Once the valley temps rise into the 30 Deg C's the approx 10 Dec C cooler mountain temps become much more attractive. This draws people into the mountains but unfortuately for some the strain of the tour is too much. Although the temp is more comfortable than in the valley the altitude combined with serious exercise becomes too much for them. I suspect some lose their footing or balance because they are tired so the fitness aspect is probably responsible for much more than the 43%.
I'm beginning to wonder if a klettersteig is actually safer than mountain walking.
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DB wrote:
Most of the mountain-walking deaths are through cardiovascular disorders (43%) slips / loss of balance were the second most common cause (26%) and falls came in third (16%).
When the summer is mild the mountain temps are often in single digits and not so attractive. Once the valley temps rise into the 30 Deg C's the approx 10 Dec C cooler mountain temps become much more attractive. This draws people into the mountains but unfortuately for some the strain of the tour is too much. Although the temp is more comfortable than in the valley the altitude combined with serious exercise becomes too much for them. I suspect some lose their footing or balance because they are tired so the fitness aspect is probably responsible for much more than the 43%.
I'm beginning to wonder if a klettersteig is actually safer than mountain walking.
I think that is basically what white gold said above
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davidof wrote:
I think that is basically what white gold said above
Yes, if whitegold had added "while holding onto their chest" he would have nailed it.
Seriously it's more fitness/health related than just down to being clumsy with the correct equipment.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
@DB, I think klettersteig is probably safer. You are more aware of your surroundings and potential failings thus you concentrate more. Less likely actually to slip off or take a fall. May still have a heart attack though!
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@Bennyboy1 said,
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I think klettersteig is probably safer
...as long as you're using the correct kit - still see a fair number of people just using slings with no energy absorbing system (EAS), so any fall could be pretty serious .
Great eye opening video on testing different types of kit with 4m fall of 80kg weight (including basic rope/slings at ~ 1min in) here
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