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Is pole planting necessary?

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eliminating the touch plant carving on pistes .... I think to ski without poles on steeps, bumps etc you need to know how to ski with poles and the benefit of doing so and be of a competence that allows you not to use them. ie an ingrained skillset that you can visualise and mimic the use of which will give body position , timing, rhythm, correct initiation etc.... some may argue once you have the pole plant art it may benefit "not" to use them to accentuate and instil a more active mind and association, and in certain situations you can get away with it. And then the discussion goes round again .. but in my mind, ultimately when pushing your boundaries, and each is individual, in either speed, steep, depth ,bumps or mind ..yep definitely need the poles ! or you are just plateau (ing) on a plateau ..
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I think the term 'plant' is misleading. It suggests something static, unmoving, capable of remaining upright despite huge forces.

On my first (and only) moguls course, I was instructed to use a firm pole plant. So first time up, I jammed the pole into the mogul as hard as I could and hung on grimly as I skied past it. With entirely predictable results.
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@Penry, that's a good point. I usually talk about a pole tap, although in some contexts say that something much stronger than a tap is helpful.
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@rob@rar, That's a much better term, pole tap it is from now on.

The Warren Smith video that @geoffers posted is really useful for me personally as I know I have a habit of letting my elbows collapse into the body. Need to do some conditioning work on my frame I guess.
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Penry wrote:
...I have a habit of letting my elbows collapse into the body. Need to do some conditioning work on my frame I guess.
Because your arms are too heavy to be supported by your muscles? I'd guess it's an acquired movement pattern rather than a lack of strength and conditioning.

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@rob@rar, Maybe Embarassed

If my upper arms hang straight down and my elbows are at 90 degs, there is no stress. But if I hold by arms out such that there is a 45 deg forward angle between upper arm and torso and a 45 lateral angle too, then I can feel the strain from armpit to elbow (triceps?) and in my back across the lower part of the shoulder blades. It feels to me like acquiring a new movement pattern would be helped by some exercises.
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Just watch Stenmark or JF Beaulieu, both supreme stylists and both positive pole planters from different eras covering both skinny long and short fat skis.
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