 Poster: A snowHead
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| davidof wrote: |
| There is also a difference between a water injected ski run, one that is merely polished and hard snow and actual refrozen water (aka ice). |
The OP stated:
skiing down the side of a piste last weekend that had been polished to a fine glass sheen
I've never tried skiing on glass and don't intend to try.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Themasterpiece wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
I think as ever there is a range of what people are calling "ice".
The OP stated "hardpack I dont struggle with, real ice, I do". |
Someone needs to put together a “Bristol Stool Scale” for snow conditions. |
Had to look that up - very funny 
Anyhow see here as one example of someone trying to define slope condition.
Note the categories stating 1 = unskiable.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Nothing is "unskiable" until over a certain gradient.
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I think it really depends on what type of skier you are. If you're just a recreational skier who goes for one or two weeks a year, and doesn't ski much ice but just wants to get past it when they do, then just side slip and move on, not much point wasting time on it if you barely ever intend to do it.
If you're actually looking to become a more accomplished ice skier, then others in the thread have covered the techniques, and it's always worth having lessons
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If people are asking for advice then probably a lesson is a good idea, because that's a reasonable place for skills advice and they can actually watch you skiing and immediately tell you if it's you or the ice.
| under a new name wrote: |
| Nothing is "unskiable" until over a certain gradient. |
That's not correct. Piste skis in serious breakable crust. Blue ice at a resort. An avalanche slope. A cliff. Tarmac on skis which are not rented.
For snowboards, it's pretty much the same as skis, except it's significantly harder to keep your balance if you lose the edge, and many snowboards are too short/ flexible / blunt / badly driven to work.
Most experts would I think just use their eyes and turn on the bits which aren't ice. Many would not even be there, because they'd likely work out the condition of the various slopes from the weather and not go where the ice is. If your resort is delivering a lot of ice on a regular basis, then their piste maintenance is poor and you may want to consider going somewhere else.
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@philwig,
"piste skis in breakable crust", I refer m'learned friend to 1986.
"Blue ice at a resort", I have left carves and had full grip & control in blue ice (refrozen river) with my Rossi 7Ss in 1990.
"An avalanche slope", I fear you may be going slightly off piste here, but an old friend of mine once taught a chap whose job it was to set off avalanches by skiing across the slope* Health and safety, bah!
"A cliff", that would be gradient, would it not?! P.S: Schmidt, Plake, Hattrup, et al.
"Tarmac on skis which are not rented", now you are just being silly 
*True tale.
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| Layne wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| There is also a difference between a water injected ski run, one that is merely polished and hard snow and actual refrozen water (aka ice). |
The OP stated:
skiing down the side of a piste last weekend that had been polished to a fine glass sheen
I've never tried skiing on glass and don't intend to try. |
Yeah I read that but fine glass sheen to one skier is just hard snow to another.
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I know it is all really ice, just packed in different ways, but to me you can easily recognise ice - it is blue and best avoided.
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