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Saw this on my Instagram feed. Thought it was pretty cool. You can hear it's a jetforce (electric) type.

https://instagram.com/p/BdxnKz_Hbdq/
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@Themasterpiece, thanks. Definitely an advantage of a battery operated airbag over the gas cylinders.
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I haven't thrown myself down a slope with my Jetforce, but it has been tested a few times, mainly by guides. However, I think it is a good idea to test in this manner, as the normal method of testing is to announce you are going to trigger it, and then pull the handle while standing up. Trying grab and pull the handle while rolling down a hill is a different matter.

I always despair when I see Avalanche Airbag packs advertised as excellent condition, never fired. This means they don't actually know if it works, and have been skiing not knowing if it works.

Like anything designed for an emergency situation, unless its tested, you'll never know. I'm from an Engineering/IT background, where Disaster Recovery plans abound, and an untested plan is pointless. One computer room had the usual Uninterruptible Power Supplies, and back up generators, the problem only identified during testing was that the generators fuel pump was on the unprotected mains supply, rather than the protected one, so the power failed after 2 minutes rolling eyes
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Interesting to see. I assumed avalanche airbags were just powered by compressed gas and therefore were not reusable.

Does seem a little criminal to me that they are so expensive though. I mean it's not like an airbag in a car is an optional extra...
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JeffJeff wrote:
Interesting to see. I assumed avalanche airbags were just powered by compressed gas and therefore were not reusable.
Most are, but in the last year or two one manufacturer, Black Diamond, has brought a battery powered model to market. Much easier to practice with as you recharge the battery. With the gas powered models you have a small fee and a slightly larger hassle factor in recharging the cylinder, unless you live fairly close to a centre which can refill the cylinder.
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I have a BD halo airbag ( or avalanche rescue bag as they like to be known ) and have been practicing with it in a simulated live situation as it’s seems to be a factor that In a real avi that some bags are not activated when needed ?? Maybe due to disorientation etc
With the airbag packs slowly becoming the fourth part of the essential avalanche kit I think the ability to practice whilst out in the environment is a great tool in your survival kitbag
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Arcteryx also do a battery operated model, https://arcteryx.com/gb/en/shop/voltair-20-backpack

Not cheap!!! But looks mint.
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You can practice pulling the trigger on any avi bag without actually activating the cylinder(s).
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I heard optimal testing conditions for airbags were getting caught in a faffing emergency on the terrace of the bar.
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spyderjon wrote:
You can practice pulling the trigger on any avi bag without actually activating the cylinder(s).


You can but make sure you haven't got the firing pin connected as if the pin is not connected to the bottle it can damage the pin, meaning it might not fire correctly the next time and possibly when you actually need it. Also, after you activated the handle, wouldn't you need a new handle?

Mind you, if you have a jet force airbag then the above doesn't apply to you.
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Interesting to see that even though it was a practice and he knew what he was going to do, it still took him a while to find the trigger and activate it.

He travelled quite a way before it deployed.
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spyderjon wrote:
You can practice pulling the trigger on any avi bag without actually activating the cylinder(s).


This is not advised with ABS bags.
Pulling the handle when the canister is not in place will damage the puncture unit and would need repairing.
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I heard optimal testing conditions for airbags were getting caught in a faffing emergency on the terrace of the bar.


This on,y happens if you are over 1m80cm and have a Scott Alpride. Is that what you were referring to? 😜
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I think you'll find that it's precisely advised in the instructions for the Mammut 3.0 bags at least.

There's a plastic "dummy load". You screw that in where the cylinder would go, then you can pull the mechanical release to your heart's content.

There's no "puncture" concept - it's a mechanical trigger.

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On Jet Force... I'd like to like them, but they're huge and ugly in all their incarnations. I also rode with a bunch of rather good Australians all of whom had them, but weren't using them because they'd had lots of firmware/ battery issues with them. Perhaps they need a little time to mature.
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philwig wrote:
I think you'll find that it's precisely advised in the instructions for the Mammut 3.0 bags at least.

There's a plastic "dummy load". You screw that in where the cylinder would go, then you can pull the mechanical release to your heart's content.

There's no "puncture" concept - it's a mechanical trigger.

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On Jet Force... I'd like to like them, but they're huge and ugly in all their incarnations. I also rode with a bunch of rather good Australians all of whom had them, but weren't using them because they'd had lots of firmware/ battery issues with them. Perhaps they need a little time to mature.


The firmware issues was part of a recall. The battery issue was the first charge not registering as charged and only required the first charge to be an overnight. This was only relevant on drained packs that had been in a shop for ages and had totally drained.

I have one and yes they are heavy. However, the pack is so comfy that the weight is compensated by the great fit.
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willski17 wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
You can practice pulling the trigger on any avi bag without actually activating the cylinder(s).


This is not advised with ABS bags.
Pulling the handle when the canister is not in place will damage the puncture unit and would need repairing.

My bad, I'll amend my statement then to you can practice pulling the trigger on any non ABS/explosive trigger avi bag without actually activating the cylinder(s) Toofy Grin
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With regards to this issue that you can't pull the handle when the canister is not in place...

How do you release tension in the spring without setting off the airbag? IE for travel etc
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You are excused , how does it feel to be on the other end of a correction for a change!? NehNeh


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GlasgowCyclops wrote:
Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I heard optimal testing conditions for airbags were getting caught in a faffing emergency on the terrace of the bar.


This on,y happens if you are over 1m80cm and have a Scott Alpride. Is that what you were referring to? 😜


1m80cm? There's plenty of snowHeads who fit that bill.

But yes I recognise myself Madeye-Smiley to be fair, I got my fingers in the pressure relief pretty quickly and kept it fairly covert. People only know about it because I told them!
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dp wrote:
With regards to this issue that you can't pull the handle when the canister is not in place...

How do you release tension in the spring without setting off the airbag? IE for travel etc


There is no spring in the ABS activation handle so not sure what you mean?

When travelling with the bags you should detach the handle.
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oh I see. sorry I have an Alpride bag which works differently - and you do have to pull the handle with no cylinders attached in order to relieve the pressure.
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My bad too spyderjon and dp. I didn't realise there was a different system as well as the abs and jetforce
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