 Poster: A snowHead
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I have a Kunzmann Base Doc II but understand you can’t fly with them due to being gas operated
I would like to take something with me so I can do a base repair if required, can a soldering iron be used?, if so is there a specific wattage required that keeps it within a certain temperature range
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I thought a soldering iron might have been an issue due to a higher temperature band, are there lower wattage versions or would a wood burning/engraving tool work?
Having purchased the base doc I’m reluctant to spend on a skimender although I understand they are good
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Maybe I am being thick but don't you just need a lighter to light the ptex?
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| Fish_Head wrote: |
| I have a Kunzmann Base Doc II but understand you can’t fly with them due to being gas operated |
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| Fish_Head wrote: |
I would like to take something with me so I can do a base repair if required, can a soldering iron be used?, if so is there a specific wattage required that keeps it within a certain temperature range |
25-40 watt will work, not as good a a Kuntzmann though. Don't expect miracles. They run somewhere in the 400 to 500 C range to melt solder but a 25 watt iron doesn't have a huge amount of oumph so won't wreck your skis, you can melt the base around the hole too, which should help the p-tex bind. Although base material seems to have a higher melting point.
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| Layne wrote: |
| Maybe I am being thick but don't you just need a lighter to light the ptex? |
Ptex candles can be used with a lighter but the repair is not as good as using a skimender or a base doc with ptex strips as they give more of a weld, I understand the strips are a different ptex to the candles
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| davidof wrote: |
| Fish_Head wrote: |
| I have a Kunzmann Base Doc II but understand you can’t fly with them due to being gas operated |
and also extremely rude
| Fish_Head wrote: |
I would like to take something with me so I can do a base repair if required, can a soldering iron be used?, if so is there a specific wattage required that keeps it within a certain temperature range |
25-40 watt will work, not as good a a Kuntzmann though. Don't expect miracles. They run somewhere in the 400 to 500 C range to melt solder but a 25 watt iron doesn't have a huge amount of oumph so won't wreck your skis, you can melt the base around the hole too, which should help the p-tex bind. Although base material seems to have a higher melting point. |
I thought I have read somewhere that a soldering iron runs a bit too hot for a ptex ski base that melts at 190, is it better to get a 25 or 40 watt?
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I have to correct myself, my iron is a Weller 60 watt, yes they do run hot but the ptex flame (if you burn the candles) must be at a similar temperature. I don't think a 25 watt will be powerful enough for the job. 
I would say using a soldering iron is no better than burning the candles, if that helps your decision, just a bit less messy.
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For £45 the Skimender is a cracking bit of kit, similar to what I used as a ski tech back in the day. I've got 2 of them, clear and black Ptex so don't have to swap/clean between colours...... Simple to use and fantastic results, never had a repair pull out in 3years 
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Should have said ptex base melts at 150 degrees according to what I have read, soldering iron running at 400-500 degrees sounds too hot
Ptex candles that you light are softer than the strips that you “weld” in to the base, tognar do a soldering iron type tool but as far as I’m aware it’s only sold in the USA and wonder what temps it will work at when plugged in to a UK/euro socket
I’ll probably just take some candles in case I get a gouge
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| KenX wrote: |
| For £45 the Skimender is a cracking bit of kit, similar to what I used as a ski tech back in the day. I've got 2 of them, clear and black Ptex so don't have to swap/clean between colours...... Simple to use and fantastic results, never had a repair pull out in 3years |
I’ve heard its good, bit too much of an overlap with the base doc, unless I sell it and replace with a skimender
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@Fish_Head, that'd work, then you've got a tool you can fly with! Unless you can see if you can buy the gas in resort? Risky though...... The basedoc would sell on here no probs
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| Fish_Head wrote: |
| Ptex candles that you light are softer than the strips that you “weld” in to the base |
Ah, right. Have to say I haven't had a candle repair come out as yet. Didn't know there was an alternative mind.
| Fish_Head wrote: |
| I’ll probably just take some candles in case I get a gouge |
I've never bothered with repairs on a trip. Which isn't necessarily ideal but taking the kit would yet be another thing to take and the opportunity and facilities would probably mean I wouldn't do it anyway!
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You know it makes sense.
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@Fish_Head, How long are you away for? TBH, I never bother taking my skimender on trips as they're always <10 days. The sort of repairs that use the skimender for, I would live with a quick ptext candle repair and accept that I'll need to redo the repair at home.
To get a good finish with the skimender, you need the gun, the sticks, surform tool, scraper and then all the service kits and to be honest, I can't be arsed to do that on holiday. If the damage was so bad that I needed a permanent base repair I'd be on here asking for an in resort recommendation and let the shop handle it... life and holiday time is too short IMO.
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When I use a base pistol for serious repairs I firstly dimple the inside of the gauge with a dedicated soldering iron and heat it up a little. It does seem to really bond the wide dished repairs.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Why cant you empty the kunzmann and put it in hold luggage then buy a gas canister on arrival ?
Do the kunzmann take special fill canisters that are not found easily?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Metal grip will work at different temps so needs to be considered.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I ask as with a larger quiver on long trips If I buy a Kunzmann then I need gas supplies anyway ?
Something I noted with my current repairer in resort is wax wont take to repaired areas ?
My preseason powder boards have around 2 dozen base repairs so its quite abit of surface area with no wax .
It doesnt matter but for tech reasons I wondered if I could do better with correct temp kunzmann and ptex strip/metalgrip product use ?
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Thu 21-12-17 20:56; edited 1 time in total
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Wax takes fine to repaired ptex, ptex doesn't take fine to wax so needs degreasing first either with the proper lemon wax remover or a bit of judiciously applied acetone, don't overdo it though as acetone dries the base out........
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| Tirol 164 wrote: |
Why cant you empty the kunzmann and put it in hold luggage then buy a gas canister on arrival ?
Do the kunzmann take special fill canisters that are not found easily? |
Was advised you can’t take something on a plane that can takes gas even if empty - not looked into this further just what I was told
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@KenX, I agree it would probably sell easily, I like it as it’s possible to make a narrow repair, narrower I understand than a ski mender and as the repairs dont take wax like the actual ptex base then that’s a positive over time
@RichClark, fair point about the hassle fixing a gouge while away for a week, although I do enjoy fiddling with repairs etc, trying to find somewhere appropriate while in a hotel could be interesting
@Layne, that’s interesting about the longevity of your repairs, I’ll take a few ptex candles and hope I don’t get a core shot
I know I can drop it into a ski shop if I got a bad gouge but after spending a chunk on tuning gear I like to do as much repair work as I can
Thanks for all your input
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I'm a bit late to this post but might suggest a cheap ebay USB soldering iron. It's compact, no bulky plug (just a usb cable you can plug into a power bank or the usb adaptor you're no doubt taking along anyways), only £5, and while it's about as low power as a soldering iron gets, it'll melt a pool of p-tex into a base hole. I bought it to use on metal grip, in case i got a core shot in my new board on the PSB. I didn't get a chance to test it on metal grip (past simply making sure it melts it), but it repaired a couple nice gouges next to my edge which have held. Only drawback is it only has a pointy tip, where I'd imagine a wide spade tip would be convenient for spreading molten ptex about..
So cheap I'd happily recommend it to anyone wanting something more than just ptex candle repairs whilst away.
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@jjams82, thanks for that, sounds like it will do the job, will look for one on my return
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