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@spyderjon, a belated thanks for the response. I may be in touch! First I need to see if I can source kids boots with pin fixings for my daughter.
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spyderjon wrote:
Shift brakes run wider than their stated size. They come in 90mm, 100mm, 110mm & 128mm widths but measured from inside face to inside face of the plastic feet their actual widths are 8mm wider that their stated widths. However there's a reason for this and it's due the way the levers deploy so to ensure reliable depolyment, particularly on ski designs with less sloping sidewalls &/or a square junction of the sidewall/topsheet, I'd not fit them to skis that are more than 5/6mm wider than the stated brake width - & even then a bit of profiling of the plastic feet may be necessary to ensure that they don't catch. So that means a 90mm brake will work on 95/96mm ski.

Bending of the brake levers should be done with caution (ie plenty of support at the elbow) as if the top end of the levers are altered it will effect their ability to lock-up when in tour mode.


Hey Jon,

I found this reply whilst working on a wee dilemma and hope you can help. Im going the export my Shifts with a 100mm brake and 100mm crampon onto the QST106. From the above, it looks possible, maybe with a bit of tweaking. Have you had any further experience with this!? Am I going to be lucky or buying parts.....

Thanks for your help, and hope that you are well!
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Husky Dave wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
Shift brakes run wider than their stated size. They come in 90mm, 100mm, 110mm & 128mm widths but measured from inside face to inside face of the plastic feet their actual widths are 8mm wider that their stated widths. However there's a reason for this and it's due the way the levers deploy so to ensure reliable depolyment, particularly on ski designs with less sloping sidewalls &/or a square junction of the sidewall/topsheet, I'd not fit them to skis that are more than 5/6mm wider than the stated brake width - & even then a bit of profiling of the plastic feet may be necessary to ensure that they don't catch. So that means a 90mm brake will work on 95/96mm ski.

Bending of the brake levers should be done with caution (ie plenty of support at the elbow) as if the top end of the levers are altered it will effect their ability to lock-up when in tour mode.


Hey Jon,

I found this reply whilst working on a wee dilemma and hope you can help. Im going the export my Shifts with a 100mm brake and 100mm crampon onto the QST106. From the above, it looks possible, maybe with a bit of tweaking. Have you had any further experience with this!? Am I going to be lucky or buying parts.....

Thanks for your help, and hope that you are well!

Hey bud, good to hear from you.

You'll be fine with the brakes but you're on the cusp with the 100mm crampons as their internal width is 105-106mm so whether they'll fit will be depend on the individual crampon you have and the actual width of the ski at the point where the crampon locates which is often a bit wider as it's further up the ski. But it's also common for the actual width of the ski to be different than its stated width, eg the 19/20 QST 106 is actually 105mm underfoot in the 181cm length.

The crampons are really hard anodized aluminium and it's highly likely that they'll crack if you try to bend them. If you're brave enough to try then use constant pressure as opposed to hitting them! If only a tad needs removing from each side then it's better/safer to use a Dremel/die grinder to thin down the arms (with regular dunks in water so they don't get too hot) rather than trying to bend them.

Hope this helps.
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@Husky Dave, Jon put shifts on my 2018 188 qst106 recently. The brakes were indeed 100mm but put on by the master himself so all worked perfectly. For the crampons I could go and check what they are if that would help
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Hey bud, good to hear from you.

You'll be fine with the brakes but you're on the cusp with the 100mm crampons as their internal width is 105-106mm so whether they'll fit will be depend on the individual crampon you have and the actual width of the ski at the point where the crampon locates which is often a bit wider as it's further up the ski. But it's also common for the actual width of the ski to be different than its stated width, eg the 19/20 QST 106 is actually 105mm underfoot in the 181cm length.

The crampons are really hard anodized aluminium and it's highly likely that they'll crack if you try to bend them. If you're brave enough to try then use constant pressure as opposed to hitting them! If only a tad needs removing from each side then it's better/safer to use a Dremel/die grinder to thin down the arms (with regular dunks in water so they don't get too hot) rather than trying to bend them.

Hope this helps.[/quote]

Hey Jon,

Thats really good info. Looks like I win some, loose some there! Great that I don't have to mess around with a new set of brakes, but not so with the crampons.

Was hoping not to have another 2cm width of crampon clatter to deal with but the margins are tiny. I reckon I'll be buying the 120mm crampons and over time have a go at getting the 100mm to fit during a down day.
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mooney058 wrote:
@Husky Dave, Jon put shifts on my 2018 188 qst106 recently. The brakes were indeed 100mm but put on by the master himself so all worked perfectly. For the crampons I could go and check what they are if that would help


Hey Mooney,

Would be great to hear what Spiderjon was able to do for you on that one. If you're able to dig them out, be great to know. Order is going in tomorrow!
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Husky Dave wrote:
mooney058 wrote:
@Husky Dave, Jon put shifts on my 2018 188 qst106 recently. The brakes were indeed 100mm but put on by the master himself so all worked perfectly. For the crampons I could go and check what they are if that would help


Hey Mooney,

Would be great to hear what Spiderjon was able to do for you on that one. If you're able to dig them out, be great to know. Order is going in tomorrow!


Indeed, brakes are 100mm and sitting neatly. Crampons are 120mm

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mooney058 wrote:
Husky Dave wrote:
mooney058 wrote:
@Husky Dave, Jon put shifts on my 2018 188 qst106 recently. The brakes were indeed 100mm but put on by the master himself so all worked perfectly. For the crampons I could go and check what they are if that would help


Hey Mooney,

Would be great to hear what Spiderjon was able to do for you on that one. If you're able to dig them out, be great to know. Order is going in tomorrow!


Indeed, brakes are 100mm and sitting neatly. Crampons are 120mm




Thanks for getting back - thats really appreciated! A productive wee chat gentlemen. Thanks - makes tomorrows big purchases a little smoother...
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@Husky Dave if the 100mm crampons are tight then just file a bit of each edge of the ski ?? Happy wink (In powder it shouldn't make too much difference... Happy )
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offpisteskiing wrote:
@Husky Dave if the 100mm crampons are tight then just file a bit of each edge of the ski ?? Happy wink (In powder it shouldn't make too much difference... Happy )


...or lend them to @pigeondave and he'll use his special technique to reduce the width

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@adithorp, Ouch!!! Bit of araldite should sort that ???!!!
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@adithorp, Ouch!!! Bit of @spyderjon-magic, should sort that ???!!!


FIFY
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offpisteskiing wrote:
@adithorp, Ouch!!! Bit of araldite should sort that ???!!!


Seems like a gaffa tape problem to me.
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offpisteskiing wrote:
@adithorp, Ouch!!! Bit of araldite should sort that ???!!!

Sharkymark wrote:
Seems like a gaffa tape problem to me.

Nah, nothing that techy. It just buffed out......

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Question for some Shift experts. Over the past few outings I've noticed a pronounced clicking coming from what I think is the toepiece of one of my Shifts when skinning. It occurs as I complete a step and my heel comes down again. I can't properly identify it other than I think its the toepiece. I wouldn't usually worry but it's quite an obvious noise and happens on every step. Even if it doesn't affect performance its a bit annoying....

Thanks in advance
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Just one hopeful bump of this before I seek my answers elsewhere. Thanks again.
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@Meltus, I had a similar thing for the first time yesterday. I assumed it was due to the extreme cold and/or ice somewhere. Will let you know if it repeats next time out too!
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In the hope that feedback is better than silence: sorry @Meltus, I’ve never experienced that.
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@Meltus, @clarky999, I've not heard of that before.
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A quick google reveals ….



https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/857391/Official--Atomic---Salomon-Shift-13-MNC-Binding-Thread?page=5
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@DB, that link is describing an out of adjustment AFD when in skiing mode whereas meltus & clarky are getting a clicking when in skinning mode when the boot is not in contact with the AFD. Two different scenarios.

meltus & clarky, where you in skinning in flat mode or did you have the climbing bar up?
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spyderjon wrote:
@DB, that link is describing an out of adjustment AFD when in skiing mode whereas meltus & clarky are getting a clicking when in skinning mode when the boot is not in contact with the AFD. Two different scenarios.


lol
Note to self "read the post properly first and then reply"
Ah well at least it's in the right thread.
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spyderjon wrote:
@DB, that link is describing an out of adjustment AFD when in skiing mode whereas meltus & clarky are getting a clicking when in skinning mode when the boot is not in contact with the AFD. Two different scenarios.

meltus & clarky, where you in skinning in flat mode or did you have the climbing bar up?


Both. Hard to remember exactly now, but I would say the sound was somewhere almost between squeaking and clicking, and only from one binding. But again, that's the first and only time I've experienced that, with more than 50 tours on that particular pair of bindings, and temperatures were somewhere south of -20°C. It only started after having already climbed ~500 vert metres, and I'm absolutely NOT certain that it wasn't due to ice or snow getting stuck somewhere (under the toe of the boot maybe?)... But it felt a bit like there was a little bit of resistance somewhere while completing the step/rotating the heel down around the pins. OTOH it was so bloody-fu-freezing that I only noticed after 1100m that one of my boots was still in ski mode, so I'm not sure I actually trust that I actually felt what I think I felt! Will see if it occurs again in normal temperatures before I worry about it.
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Hey, just to update in red hot temperatures yesterday I didn't notice the noise so it does seem like something to do with the cold?

I also have another issue which others may have experienced. On two occasions now, whilst skinning, the front half of the heelpiece has detached itself from the rest of the binding and would've fallen off had I not noticed. To fix it, I've turned the rear screw so that the rest of the heel piece moves forward until it becomes loose and can be removed. I've then "hooked" the front half of the heelpiece back into the rear half and slid them both back onto the rail before tightening the screw and setting the forward pressure again.

This seems like it fixes the issue but then it happens again. Two occasions isn't a massive issue but it is definitely an issue and if it happens and I don't notice it then I could be scuppered. Is this a known issue?

Thanks
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@Meltus, I think there was mention of similar issues earlier in this thread.
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Hi guys — any suggestions on the *narrowest* slalom ski + touring binding setup possible? Everyone thinks I’m crazy but I love to ski tight radius turns on groomers here in the NE but still “earn my turns” on the way up — just for exercise. I just put a set of Shifts on my wider powder skis but shops are telling me there’s really no touring binding options for a narrower 70’s waist ski. Wondering if a race plate could perhaps help. Any ideas appreciated!
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@matthewhart, whilst any tech binding will work on a narrower ski they're not designed/recommended for continual hardpack downhill performance so you really want an alpine binding with an uphill function. A narrow frame binding would work (ie, Marker Tour F10/12 but not the wider EPF model) but they're gonna suck on the up compared to a tech toe.

The Shift would be a great choice as it's a proper downhill binding with loads of elasticity. The narrowest ski I've mounted Shifts on was 76mm underfoot and you might be able to go a mm or two narrow. Their 90mm brakes are really 98mm which'd be waaaay too wide but it's a straightforward 'vice'n'pipe' job to rebend them narrower (being careful to to affect the lock-up mechanism. The Shifts have sufficient lift to not require a lifter plate to prevent boot-out plus you wouldn't want the added weight of a plate.

The new Marker Duke PT will also work on a mid 70mm ski but I've not tried narrowing their brakes but looking at them I think they're be a lot trickier to do than the Shifts. Between the Shift and the PT I'd pick the Shifts every time.

Or there's the CAST Freetour system which will work on 70mm skis as it's based upon Look Pivot 15/18 bindings for which there's a 75mm brake option.
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