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Anyway...why would I have scared him off? Others
appear to welcome the advice...is that not a balance?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @Thornyhill, its not about tnr the small print...it just feels like spamming. His speciality isn't relevant to my knee |
Report it to a mod then if you think it is spam.
Isn't it Ironic* that you would spurn free advice.
His last post was a polite 'fkuc this. I'm outta here' after he gets a hard time from two people about touting for business. I haven't noticed anyone having a go at JB for touting for business. Maybe you make judgements based on post count or something unrelated to the knowledge offered by the poster in question?
*See what I did there 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Thornyhill, whatever
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so a genuine specialist offering free advice & he's now been run off the board.
Well done. Idiot.
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@Mr.Egg, over egging it... hardly run off the board. 
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Seems a shame - another knee specialist on here would be a good resource.
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@b4d4bing, I for one see nothing sinister in your posts, quite the opposite in fact. I find it a valuable and FREE resource and don’t really understand the vitriol. Furthermore, it is good to know that there is someone local who might be able to help me once I have limped through this season. I have been getting increasing left knee pain these past two years. I have been working hard in the gym to strengthen and have noticed that impact causes the most pain.
My question to you, or any other  willing to share, is whether a product such as this is likely to help reduce the pain from impact when skiing, “Bracoo Knee Support, Open-Patella Stabiliser, Adjustable Brace, Neoprene Sleeve – Arthritic Pain Relief, Sports Injury Rehabilitation & Protection against Reinjury.”
DISCLAIMER I have zero connection to Bracoo, there are surely many other reputable makes available!
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@Snowsartre,
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don’t really understand the vitriol.
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Me neither, unless you're referring to two, hesitantly expressed doubts, in which case you're looking in the wrong place for vitriol. I, for one, am perfectly content for my opinion to be overruled.
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Ok, I had nothing better to do this morning. I have nothing against Mark Frame, but I am fussy about who I take advice from so I did some digging.
On 17th November he created a new facebook page https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=mr%20mark%20frame%20-%20wessex%20knee%20surgery 17th November he is selling a £45 Video consultation via Facebook Messenger or Apple Facetime - that is a great way to access advice. 17th November he advertises Arthrex ACL Internal Brace Repair with 2 posts. 17th November he advertises Durolane Knee injection package price including initial consultation £475. 17th November he advertises partial Knee resurfacing. 18th November he advertises 3D printed Trochleoplasty. 18th November he highlights a story about football ACL injuries that Bobinch has already commented upon in another thread
21st November he is on Radio Solent to talk about ACL Repair
23rd November he publicises an interview with for FourFourTwo magazine about ACL repair via Arthrex internal brace repair (see the bobinch comments)
His new FB page has 2 5 star reviews. 1 from someone who " observed Mr. Frame in the OR on multiple occasions" - she worked for Arthrex and is in sales (you might have thought she was a medic - perhaps she was when she observed, if so then apologies). The second is 5 stars with no commentary (this chap clearly did have knee surgery in 2011 and lives in Scotland so one could assume that Mr Frame did the surgery as he did his orthopaedic training there).
Search for Mark Frame Surgeon, or Mark Frame Knee on Google, then there are no reviews apart from the 2 FB ones. Jonathan Bell has 82 5 star reviews and 1 4 star review from patients on Iwantgreatcare.org there are none for Mark Frame (he has not been practising as long as Mr Bell though, nor always in the UK)
This DOES NOT mean I think his advice is unsound and in no way reflects his abilities as a surgeon (I have no idea if he is any good or not), BUT, his approach here has been subtle as a brick. I see has edited his posts to remove his website link. It would be nice if he came back and contributed on the many knee threads. but this has been a marketing exercise
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@Snowsartre, obviously you need a proper investigation and diagnosis for the source of the pain first. But AFAIK impact pain is usually bone-on-bone pain caused by meniscus damage, osteoarthritis or patellar maltracking. I've had/got all three in my right knee, as well as a part torn ACL and a ruptured Baker's Cyst. IME, a general knee support brace like the one you've mentioned above will make no difference at all.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@holidayloverxx, you define the meaning of the words callous and inconsiderate.
This man did nothing to deserve your dirt-digging and "exposure"
Now when bona fide patients who have nothing to do with skiing Google him they will find your post where you have used his real name rather than Snoheads name
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@peanuthead, all @holidayloverxx "dug up" are the OP's marketing attempts. That's hardly negative. I can't see why prospective patients would be deterred by such erhh... "non-dirt".
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You know it makes sense.
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@peanuthead, I wasn't the first to name him (edit...it seems I was but someone offering medical advice, especially when marketing, shouldn't have a problem with that) . it is not dirt-digging (do you think his FB posts are "dirt"? I didn't say that); he is the one who came here marketing and on the other thread another snowhead had already called him out but no-one is having a go at him; anyone who needs a knee surgeon would surely do the 10 minutes research that I did. - he has to take the rough with the smooth. Personally, when I need a knee surgeon I will go with the one with 82 5 star patient reviews.
You tell me what was callous and inconsiderate after one SH called me an idiot and another accused me of spurning free advice....which I wasn't - look on page 1; I asked him to engage. Read the last line of my post.
"This DOES NOT mean I think his advice is unsound and in no way reflects his abilities as a surgeon (I have no idea if he is any good or not), BUT, his approach here has been subtle as a brick. I see has edited his posts to remove his website link. It would be nice if he came back and contributed on the many knee threads. but this has been a marketing exercise"
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
You tell me what was callous and inconsiderate after one SH called me an idiot and another accused me of spurning free advice.... |
I thought the idiot reference was out of line. The guy is offering free advice on here. You maybe don't need it but it might benefit someone else....well it won't now as he a buggered off. Maybe you can give out the free expert advice instead? He posted one thread. Sure he was marketing but that is how the world works. If he had just been linking his business on every thread then that would be spamming.
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@Thornyhill, he posted on another thread if we are being pedantic...did you read the other thread?. Are you deliberately being obtuse? I started mildly uncomfortable but still asked him to stick around; when people got stuck on their moral high ground i decided to find out more. Am i to be censored and censured for that?
He buggered off pretty early...he could have held his hand up and said sorry for the blatant marketing but would contribute on specific threads if he could help...thats how it works on here and you know it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Very sad
Another example of the 'well-meaning' being shutdown by the 'over-sensitive'
Oh well ... that's human beings for you
Anyway .. @b4d4bing ... thanks for your input.
This thread was becoming both interesting and informative.
I was going to ask about my wife's ACL reconstruction ... looks like I can't anymore.
Very sad
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| abc wrote: |
| @peanuthead, all @holidayloverxx "dug up" are the OP's marketing attempts. That's hardly negative. I can't see why prospective patients would be deterred by such erhh... "non-dirt". |
Indeed. In marketing, as in most things, don't you live by the sword and die by the sword?
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Does anybody not think that, rather than the mildly raised eyebrows in this thread and the other one, the feverish and raucous response is more likely to have sent the OP running?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@holidayloverxx, other people on their moral high ground? 
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@Hurtle, if people hadn’t felt the need to have a pop at him for offering advice, then there wouldn’t have been a response.
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@SnoodlesMcFlude, I'm asking you to compare the relative tone.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Does anybody not think that, rather than the mildly raised eyebrows in this thread and the other one, the feverish and raucous response is more likely to have sent the OP running? |
I think it's neither.
Having read the "other" thread, I think the good doctor may had concluded this isn't the kind of crowd he can easily convince one way or another. Or he may have decided his marketing effort might not be rewarded with actual business given the skeptical reception he got here.
Also, realizing there's already another orthopedic established here, he may have realized there's not enough room for another? I've browsed quite a few other sports injury discussions on other websites related to my own injury (not knee). I've always only see one real doctor on each board. Surgeons usually have pretty big ego. He may not want to get into any disagreement with another surgeon down the line.
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I've browsed quite a few other sports injury discussions on other websites related to my own injury (not knee). I've always only see one real doctor on each board. Surgeons usually have pretty big ego. He may not want to get into any disagreement with another surgeon down the line.
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Interesting point
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@Hurtle, @abc, i wondered if that might be the case
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| SnoodlesMcFlude wrote: |
| @holidayloverxx, other people on their moral high ground? |
i wouldn't say my stance is moralistic
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Is it possible to have too many ortho knee surgeons on a ski forum? 
Whilst my "what am I being sold" antennae were alerted by the creation of this thread, I was quickly reassured by the nature of the OP's posts which I have found extremely enlightening, open and totally unpushy with no sign of ego.
As regards possible or even likely motives, my view is "so what?"
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| motyl wrote: |
| Is it possible to have too many ortho knee surgeons on a ski forum? |
Ideally, no. I would welcome more, and more opinions and debate ( evidence-based or anecdotal as appropriate) - although it would be nice to feel that as far as possible they are giving friendly and reasoned advice and opinions based on their professional experience and expertise, rather than touting for business, much as I would hope any SH with knowledge or expertise in any area would chip in on a relevant topic: which is kind of what I hope SHds ( at least in part) exists for.
I am happy for all caveats that they cannot give opinions without seeing the offending joint or structure, but I would look forward to as much helpful input as possible to posters' queries, especially when many do not live in the South of England and therefore are probably not able to avail themselves of any services being 'marketed' anyway.
Are there no skiing ortho surgeons north of London???
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@Grizzler, North o' London  There be no such place!
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@holidayloverxx is rarely wrong when it comes to those looking to leverage the community for personal gain.
I'm quite happy for the OP to stick around and certainly an Ask me anything thread in the right spirit would be a valuable resource. Part and parcel of it being a forum though is being able to stand up to moderate challenge and criticism. Personally I was sceptical on page one as seemed to be a rather too overt platform for promoting some rad new treatment but then I'm a bitter old cynic.
Any tips on managing an MCL twinge that protests at morning stairs welcome
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@Dave of the Marmottes, I didn't think that there was any doubt that he was being self-promoting, and ultimately looking for business. But in the interim he was offering free advice, and the advice he gave didn't consist of "you should seek surgery, in particularly I think you should consider an internal brace", in fact it consisted of "surgery only where required". If he'd started plugging his surgery as a solution then I'd have considered it worth flagging up.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'd suggest that, if people want him back, they give the argument a rest.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I don't see the problem either.
I'm a GP and think everyone should do more exercise and loose some damn weight. Oh and squats. Lots of those. If you have patello femoral pain do the stretches freely available on Google. A steroid injection is generally worth a punt. It's a lot cheaper than an MRI and might actually help. My 2p.
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| b4d4bing wrote: |
Hi Guys
I'm an ortho knee surgeon on the South Coast of England (Hampshire) Fell free to ask me any questions i might be able to help with here....happy to help out. |
hi- I have just been told i need arthroscopic surgery on my right knee. it's nothing major, just flushing out the loose bits and a general tidy up. how long do you reckon i'll need to have til i can hit the slopes again? also is there any impact on me flying (planes, not superman) ?? any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated!!
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@the_dooley, it doesn’t look like he is coming back but I was skiing within three months of surgery for a bucket tear in my meniscus cartilage. It wasn’t pain free admittedly but better than cancelling our holiday. I also could t manage as much as normal. Hope that helps.
Make sure you get Physio after surgery (NHS don’t always bother to do it in a timely fashion afterwards so if not forthcoming it is worth paying for)
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Thx Nicky3 much appreciated!
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| @holidayloverxx is rarely wrong when it comes to those looking to leverage the community for personal gain. .. |
"Personal gain" is why everyone is here, always.
If the OP hadn't put some credentials there you'd have rudely asked why you should believe anything they said. The fact that competent business people do marketing can hardly be a surprise to adults. No NHS staff member works for anything other than money, but that does not make them hateful nasty money grabbers.
Enough excuses.
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I certainly wouldn't mind having b4d4bing here. To me, someone who posts this, "I definitely am a big advocate of surgery only when its necessary. " is not being pushy. That's a conservative approach that is refreshing and free insight is by no means bad. One can always choose not to engage his services.
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Came in to look at this thread as have had two mates do their ACL's in the last two weeks, the joy of skiing spring sludge......
And yes whilst there could well be an element of marketing going on in the background, to use that old phrase "there is usually no such thing as a free lunch" he was answering questions raised in a very short time scale, and without people incurring the costs of seeing a consultant as initially when you do your knee etc there is a lot of gathering of information to help one make / arrive at a decision.
In this world where Google is "King of Content" the whole world of SEO* is a massive battlefield even for knee consultants and if that means a few simple outbound inbound links as other contributors have, surely that is good deal for what he was providing?
My question would have been is there an age limit on the NHS for an ACL op as the French doctor here said it was 60 and in my experience it's judged more on the fitness and lifestyle of the patient.
*as an example put "ski knee injury" into Google and a feature we have by another knee consultant is page 1/2 and ironically it was not written for that purpose, but every now and again my OH is approached by PRs wanting to know if she could do a feature on one of their clients, and that they would pay for it!!
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@holidayloverxx, well done!
Chap comes along with an extremely generous offer of advice and who knows what he’s talking about, even puts his link on the page to show his expertise.
You have a pop and bingo he’s gone.
Here we go again.
Please please don’t respond you’ll only make it worse.
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FAQ
I've an old class 3 sep on the right and no cartilage remaining on the left . . . mobility becoming a bit difficult 
Doing the usual exercise and non-prescription routine but in my mid-sixties with a lo....................ng history of self harm and thus subject to arthitis flares that can REALLY booger up my joints for a month or two as it crawls through my body . . . so . . . mechanical/artificial repair/replacement or just get on with pushing through the pain and let the joints crunch as they will?
