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Phantom from DPS - the end of ski wax...

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Sounds promising...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dpsskis/phantom-permanent-base-glide-treatment-for-skis-an?ref=340306&token=5e40cea0

http://blistergearreview.com/featured/dps-phantom-and-the-end-of-ski-wax
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Hmm be very interested in a double blind is it BS test. Some of the Whitedot demo fleet got treated with something pupporting to be similar called Juice. I don't think they ever got to evaluate properly because post application some of the treated skis then got accidentally hot waxed.
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 Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Wtf.....
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Well it looks like the crowdfunding target will be comfortably reached, so DPS are going to have to put up or shut up. I think it’s probably snake oil, but would be very happy to be proved wrong.
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Something else for us to argue about on here "my gear is better than yours" Very Happy
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this reminds me of https://melt-ski.com/

and their questionable advertising campaign


http://youtube.com/v/ZjvLKXLNZSY
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Some would have you believe that you don't need wax at all and are better off just scraping:

http://www.kuzmin.se/pgs/scien_princ_engl.html
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You would have thought that a plastic could be formulated that has the properties of a waxed ski base (maybe by adding PTFE or some other such substance). Puzzled
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Bottle of wine, I pod on, waxing iron out and lock myself in my man cave. Sorry I enjoy waxing my skis! Toofy Grin
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Hmm be very interested in a double blind is it BS test. Some of the Whitedot demo fleet got treated with something pupporting to be similar called Juice. I don't think they ever got to evaluate properly because post application some of the treated skis then got accidentally hot waxed.


I spoke to the guys at Juice in some depth about buying some for all my skis. They were very big to claim 'it's just like wax' or 'such and such a racer can't tell the difference'... but asking them in-depth questions about their product it became quite obvious to me that they just didn't know the answers, and thus, didn't really know much about their own product.

Kinda reminded me of the self-styled doctors selling holistic remedies that I encountered in India. No idea what it actually is or how it works but hey if you pay me lots of money you can have some and it will solve your problem - because I say so.
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From their FAQ
"Does Phantom change the appearance of the skis?
Your skis or snowboard will retain a glossy black appearance after a Phantom application. After thirty days or so of use, any base material will begin to look “dry” as snow abrasion starts take its toll. At this point, a stone grind will freshen the appearance to new."

That makes it sound like you'll need to grind the bases every 30 days or so, if the base visibly "wears" surely it's getting slower?
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DPS were coating their new skis with what may well be the same product last year, under a different name. From what I can remember this wasn't developed by DPS but they bought it in, so it looks like they have bought the rights.

My treated Wailer 112 Pures started showing dry patches after a 4-5 days, but I didn't notice any change in glide there was however a lot of man made snow in resort, which didn't help.

This is the original company, but the product appears to have changed from the full base treatment, to a spray on booster product.

https://looknowax.com/
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Further information from Blister and Stephan Drake http://blistergearreview.com/podcast/dps-phantom-the-end-of-ski-wax-ep-59
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
I've always sworn by layering in Rain-X with my waxes, cheap and very very hydrophobic. As far as I can tell thats all Not Wax is but Rain-X is far cheaper
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Hmm be very interested in a double blind is it BS test. Some of the Whitedot demo fleet got treated with something pupporting to be similar called Juice. I don't think they ever got to evaluate properly because post application some of the treated skis then got accidentally hot waxed.


From whats been said on TGR they have bought Juice out.
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I wonder what the expected cost is likely to be (assuming it goes ahead and they get their crowdfunding) ?

How much would people be prepared to pay for a treatment £20, £50, £100?
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king key wrote:
I wonder what the expected cost is likely to be (assuming it goes ahead and they get their crowdfunding) ?

How much would people be prepared to pay for a treatment £20, £50, £100?


USD100 is the RRP.
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madmole wrote:
I've always sworn by layering in Rain-X with my waxes, cheap and very very hydrophobic. As far as I can tell thats all Not Wax is but Rain-X is far cheaper


As an aside, Rainx Anti Fog is a good anti fingerprint coating on phones and tablets.
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We did indeed do some testing on 'Juice' but then got distracted, our initial conclusions were:

Pretty good compared to wax in some snow conditions
Not as good as wax in some other snow conditions
Felt like you needed to scrape the wax on your skis when you first 'pushed off'

There is no harm in having the treatment under wax, so one way to look at it would be: treat the skis, wax anyway, get optimal performance, if wax get rubbed off then don't have to rush straight to the bench and iron.

Would be good for carpet riders, who are in danger of burning their bases when their wax rubs off.

One thing I don't quite get: If this tech is good, and it 'sinks in' and impregnates more than just the surface of the base, then why isn't the whole base just made that way in the first place?
Juice talked about how the ideal scenario was treat a whole roll of base material in the factory before it even gets made into skis, but what I mean is how come the base material manufacturers don't just build it into the chemical composition of the actual base material?

Is it a 'Man in the White Suit' type conspiracy.
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My thoughts on this:

https://www.stylealtitude.com/phantom-wax-dps.html

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=150270
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Just tried out the new skis which are Phantomed and they sure are fast!
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Haven't waxed mine in 2 years, the bases haven't got any greyness on them which you'd expect without waxing!
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KenX wrote:
Haven't waxed mine in 2 years, the bases haven't got any greyness on them which you'd expect without waxing!
How many days of skiing on them is that as don’t you quite a bit?
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