 Poster: A snowHead
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Whether it's indoors or outside, hitting the deck hard or a button lift to the dome I think everyone should wear helmets. Just like those who ride horses, or cycle.
99.9% it's never called into action and odds are it won't even be, but it's that 0.1%...
And also, just like driving it's everyone else you need to worry about...You could be the best skier on the planet but all it takes in drunken brit abroad to smash into you, down you go, hit your head and goodnight. |
Exactly. So wear a helmet in your car. Or walking. Or anything 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Hurtle, I don't buy that for a second. It was a trap...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| martinm wrote: |
| Fridge03 wrote: |
Whether it's indoors or outside, hitting the deck hard or a button lift to the dome I think everyone should wear helmets. Just like those who ride horses, or cycle.
99.9% it's never called into action and odds are it won't even be, but it's that 0.1%...
And also, just like driving it's everyone else you need to worry about...You could be the best skier on the planet but all it takes in drunken brit abroad to smash into you, down you go, hit your head and goodnight. |
Exactly. So wear a helmet in your car. Or walking. Or anything |
I do. I'm even wearing one right now whilst typing. Keyboard related accidents have risen by 64.9% in the last 5 years.
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@Fridge03,
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| Not to open a helmets good or bad debate but trying to raise awareness. |
I am perfectly positive that he meant this! (skimottaret, please don't let me down.  )
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Hurtle,
Fake news....
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| Hurtle wrote: |
@Fridge03,
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| Not to open a helmets good or bad debate but trying to raise awareness. |
I am perfectly positive that he meant this! (skimottaret, please don't let me down. ) |
I'm fairly sure he would have known that his disclaimer would be a futile gesture...
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@Tubaski, fair enough
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Only been to Hemel twice so it wont be an issue for me, although it will if it spreads to other snowdomes. Feel it is sad to enforce helmet wearing on recreational users (freestyle and racing aside) and I hope there is a valid reason for implementing and not just a H & S knee jerk decision.
I always try to pick a quiet hour or so whenever I go indoors and the irony for me when the biggest argument most are saying is "its other users who are the danger"...well I often find myself on a slope with about 5 other people (3 of which are on the lift)!
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The much more annoying
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H & S knee jerk decision
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at Hemel is their new rule that ski boots can't be worn upstairs, because the floors are too slippery. First, they should have anticipated that when choosing the flooring and, secondly, socks are even more slippery than ski boots. It annoys the hell out of me, as it takes me an age to get in and out of my boots, and I don't normally even loosen them at lunchtime, let alone take them off.
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@Hurtle, that's insane, I sure wouldn't want to be taking my boots off, bound to end up getting your socks wet then cold feet for the rest of your slope time....
Same silly flooring choice at Castleford, rubber in front of the ski rental part but slippery flooring between that and the changing rooms and "polished" wood upstairs in the bar.
Does make you wonder who was in charge of the planning, and if they'd ever seen a pair of ski boots before
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Hurtle, was the decision made because the floor was slippery or because they got fed up of mopping up where people had dropped ice?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@SnoodlesMcFlude, it was described as a safety issue, but who knows?
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My seatbelt has never saved me from injury in 35 years of driving but I still wouldn't argue against wearing it!
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You know it makes sense.
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@Hurtle, oh right, possibly someone fell then...or possibly they just used it as an excuse, I'm amazed how often people try to hide behind H&S or say that the HSE did something. Like you say, who knows?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Wearing of a helmet may be just a demand from their insurers or be as a result of a potential threat of litigation?
Rental helmets...yuck.....lice can continue to live for many hours after the previous user has stopped using the helmet.... 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Turns out I need to wear one on my mogul course at Manchester 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Hurtle, +1.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I have now worn a helmet both in the domes and in the Alps for a few years so no difference for me. Just means as I have done on the last 2 trips in the last 2 weeks I have a free cuppa on the slope halfway through session then go upstairs once changed.
I am one who doesn't take my boots off all day so if on a day's course I don't want to get well socks will end up with flip flops or trainers
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| socks are even more slippery than ski boots |
I don't imagine the idea is that people go to the restaurant in their smelly, sweaty ski socks.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@dogwatch, my ski socks are neither smelly nor sweaty, at least not after a couple of hours on Mount Hemel.
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It makes you wonder how all the mountain hut owners can sleep at night! What with all those ski boots going up and down their stairs.
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The no boots rule is very frustrating. We now have been taking our coffee breaks in the rental areas and enjoying the free on slope coffee instead of paying for a coffee in the cafe...
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@dode, DUH! You keep your skis on! The wax keeps them quiet and you can come downstairs quicker too. Tsk, noobs...
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| The no boots rule is very frustrating. We now have been taking our coffee breaks in the rental areas and enjoying the free on slope coffee instead of paying for a coffee in the cafe... |
Excellent plan!
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| dode wrote: |
| It makes you wonder how all the mountain hut owners can sleep at night! What with all those ski boots going up and down their stairs. |
In a bed full of money?
Given that the British take H&S over and above that of other nations it's hardly surprising.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Pruman wrote: |
| or much in the way of ice or variable snow conditions to catch you out. |
Clearly never been to Hemel on a busy evening then.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Fridge03 wrote: |
| I really don't see why there such an anti-helmet feeling. |
It is not anti-helmet feeling, it is anti being treated like we are not capable of making an informed judgement.
Most of the instructors at MK don't wear helmets while teaching. They are not idiots, they are sensible people who have decided that the risk of not wearing one is small.
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Clearly never been to Hemel on a busy evening then.
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I have (but once is enough). i agree the surface changes with wear and tear but if you are caught out by that in a fridge then there's no hope.
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It is not anti-helmet feeling, it is anti being treated like we are not capable of making an informed judgement.
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Exactly. We're adults, responsible for our own heads. The end. I mean, people blindly following is how Hitler got going. And, shock horror, thousands of helmetless people ride around the busy streets of London on Boris bikes and that is way more risky and surprisingly few have died. Millions play rugby or hockey every week and no head protection there either yet significantly more risky than making a few lowish speed turns in a fridge.
I also don't think parents should feel compelled to wear a helmet just to 'set a good example to the kids'. Its illogical captain.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Pruman wrote: |
| I mean, people blindly following is how Hitler got going. |
Quite true. Although, as this photo following the 'Beer Hall Putsch'* demonstrates, it was not Hitler who wore a ski helmet but his collaborators Hermann Kriebel and Erich Ludendorff.
The 'Putsch' itself (the attempted coup attempt of the Nazi party) failed.
* Marienplatz, Munich, 8-9 November 1923
Although it is possible to blame Nazis for the boom in ski helmet sales since 1998, the deaths of celebrities Michael Kennedy* and Sonny Bono* within a week of each other are more generally identified as the catalyst of the initial boom in ski helmet sales in America which later spread to Europe.
* Kenndy died at 4.15pm, 31 Dec 1997, at Aspen, Colorado. Bono died at 4.30pm, 5 Jan 1998, at Heavenly, Nevada.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Linds,
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It will be a real pain taking them off for morning break and lunch when with you and Rob for a day's course
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As I understood Scott's post, it will only be for lunch that we will go upstairs now.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Godwin's has been invoked, time to close the thread.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| The no boots rule is very frustrating. We now have been taking our coffee breaks in the rental areas and enjoying the free on slope coffee instead of paying for a coffee in the cafe... |
I am struggling to imagine @rob@rar drinking the free slope coffee, let alone enjoying it.
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@Tubaski, 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
@Linds,
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It will be a real pain taking them off for morning break and lunch when with you and Rob for a day's course
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As I understood Scott's post, it will only be for lunch that we will go upstairs now. |
We saw Rob in his trainers on Monday up there, it will get crowded on the benches when they get busier
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Compulsory helmets - 'for the safety of our guests'.
No ski boots on the stairs - 'for the safety of our guests'.
Wonder why they have cancelled the building of the moguls that they promised for Saturday? 
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@Oceanic, they call 'em moguls but they're really just speedbumps, for the safety of their guests.
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I would think over the time they have been operating Snowcentre should have some meaningful stats on head injuries to justify the policy as evidence based. However I suspect this is driven more by a leadership role in encouraging safe practice in largely inexperienced skiers and boarders so I don't think I will be instituting a personal boycott even though it feels OTT to me and although I've worn helmets for nearly 20 years I've never considered it necessary indoors.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
The much more annoying
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H & S knee jerk decision
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at Hemel is their new rule that ski boots can't be worn upstairs, because the floors are too slippery. First, they should have anticipated that when choosing the flooring and, secondly, socks are even more slippery than ski boots. It annoys the hell out of me, as it takes me an age to get in and out of my boots, and I don't normally even loosen them at lunchtime, let alone take them off. |
Tele and touring boits therefore OK per their policy if they have vibram type sole. What if you slip cat tracks on?
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Could the boot issue be more of a problem for those not wearing ski boots, but potentially slipping on the water that is left behind when the snow melts.?
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