 Poster: A snowHead
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Dear Gurus!
So I've got all my servicing stuff out today and thought I'd start by looking at the edges.
I got my Salomon BBR (cue marmite argument...I love them!) skis serviced at Revelstoke back in Feb and thought that they were ok but a couple of days later we went to Lake Louise and had no end of trouble, I actually felt like a complete beginner (after over 20 weeks on skis) on the hard pack there.
So, I've bought an edge tuner with files and stuff, read the pisteoffice guide and ran a black marker down my edge. I set the guide to what I thought would be correct (2.5° or 87.5°) and the file only touched the upper edge (furthest away from the base) by a fraction of a mm. Checked Thepisteoffice again and then set it to what is recommended there...2°(88°) and no better. Thought about it, set it to 0° (90°) and it took a tiny amount more off, but still left a lot of black marker by the base, much more than it's removing.
So, my questions are these, could the ski tech at Rev set the machine to the wrong figure...(-2.5 instead of +2.5 if you know what I mean) and could I get it back to the correct using the file supplied with my shiny new Toko pro edge filing jobbie? I don't want to make matters worse obviously.
I suppose I should mention that despite having skied on them for a few weeks, these skis have never been edged before. And my ski buddy, also on BBRs had the same experience and the same service.
Thanks in advance.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@gixxerniknik, What do you mean by "upper edge" ?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@rjs,
by "touched the upper edge" I mean that the file is only scrapping away the black marker pen from the top part of the edge closest to the bindings (top of the ski) and furthest away from the base, if that makes any sense!
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@gixxerniknik, Ok, I didn't read it carefully enough. What angles did you ask the shop to use when they were serviced ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Assuming your guide is ok and if it's new it should be and your technique is ok then it sounds like they have been "tuned" to zero or may be less! Assuming you want to diy it then you need to first decide what side angle you want, I suggest you use either the manufacturer angle which is on jons website or 88. Its probably 1 base and 2 side. Then just some elbow grease required. Keep checking with the marker to check when it's done. For a mainly off piste ski zero is not a big problem.
The base edge is a little more tricky as while you can sharpen it to the existing angle which you can check with the marker pen as before you can only keep the same angle or increase it. Assuming your not racing the bbr's then 1 max is right.
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@rjs, I just asked them to do an edge and wax to standard factory settings.
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Perhaps the file guide your using is running on the sidewall and you need a sidewall trimmer .
If so you could or would hear this non metal sound and see the sidewall material in the file or stone ?
I used the stainless end of my scraper because I don't have a sidewall trimmer ,takes longer and bit of skill but does the work if its sharp .
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Fri 31-03-17 16:45; edited 1 time in total
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The above should read..... the file in the guide "May Be" running on the protruding sidewall where it meets the edge ..
Last edited by After all it is free  on Fri 31-03-17 18:12; edited 1 time in total
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Another point is if your not tuned up on hand tool use the file teeth go or only cut one way .
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teeth go or only cut one way
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I want to scream that at every race met I go to
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I needed to trim the sidewalls (another tool for you to buy  ) on my Scott Crusairs before the hand edge tuner would get anywhere near the edge. I suspect @Tirol 164 may be right.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Thanks for all your replies people, you've been most helpful.
@spyderjon, I tried setting the edge tool to 89, then 90 but it still removed only a small amount of the pen, albeit more than when set to 88. I wasn't sure, and didn't want to risk ruining my (beloved) BBRs, but now I'll file away to reset back to standard. Thank-you.
So a sidewall stripper removes part of the side of the ski to enable one to cut more of the edge metal back?
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You know it makes sense.
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So a sidewall stripper removes part of the side of the ski to enable one to cut more of the edge metal back? |
Yes, it trims the plastic away from just above the top of the edge. Quite fun to use
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Related question - do ski shops always edge at 89/1 or can you get 87/3 done in resort?
Ive often thought about dumping a couple of pairs of skis in St Anton with mates but then thought how would I get serviced.....maybe I need to ask locally but not there currently and this flagged up in my grey matter as I read the above@spyderjon, inflict your wisdom on me buddy!
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Markymark29, I watched the guys in the Scheiber shop in Obergurgl set up the Montana machine at 87/3 when they did my Atomic skis.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@jtr, cheers
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Markymark29, buy your own service kit 
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I took my Whitedots into a Sheffield ski shop for a service and asked for 89/1 angles (as per makers spec). Dismissive response was "can you actually tell the difference in edge angles when you're skiing?". I've not been back. Tempted to buy my own service kit for next season.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Mosha Marc, Got it already mate, always do them myself - not going to drag it to the Alps though if flying, take enough stuff as it is without a bag full of files and assorted gizmos on the plane. Car OK, I take it when we drive.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Sat 1-04-17 17:19; edited 1 time in total
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@On the rocks, I wouldn't have mine done in UK, apart from Coster-man, enjoy doing my own but for a midweek sharpen when its icy i'm tempted to just bang them in a shop in resort.
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Just leave a small selection of stuff in resort? Edge guide and a diamond file might even be enough. Not going to take up a lot of room.
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What's the approximate cost and weight of kit to do your own edges and waxing?
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