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Driving to ski resorts - new French Environmental Zone Vignettes

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Many restrictions in Isere since yesterday. Any cars without a vignette or higher than 3 banned. Not sure how that works in practise given that the main autoroute to the Med passes through and is likely to be busy with cars from all over Europe today.
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@Claude B, have you seen any actual enforcement going on? Like cars taken off the road or fines issued?
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@andy1234, I think this is the first time it's been used on such a large scale. Nothing up here in the mountains. It's Grenoble and the area towards Lyon where the problems are.

Lots on the radio, such as (in french)
https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/transports/pollution-les-mesures-de-circulations-differenciees-sont-etendues-en-isere-1561778872

Don't actually see many cars around here with them although you have to pass Grenoble to get most places. The French are good at ignoring things Very Happy My girlfriend hasn't got one and she drives this way frequently. Over 12 million sold though, perhaps mostly to Brits Laughing
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I've just lost an hour of my life doing it again, didn't bother last year, though had one before that, and I loose count the number of times I go back and forth, though recently been leaving car and flying from Turin and renting car in the UK which is way cheaper than driving to and from etc

Just that I will eventually be going back through Grenoble in August and maybe elsewhere mid-July.

What a load of hassle for 3 bucks rolling eyes
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@Weathercam, have you changed vehicles? They dontcexpire I don't think.
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@Claude B, NOOOOOOOOHHHH I was told they were for a year and speaking to friends tonight they did not infer they did not expire, oh well, I'll go and examine my one in the morning and let you know Laughing

Just had it confirmed the life of the vehicle Shocked Shocked
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@Weathercam, Toofy Grin at least its only 3 or 4€
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Claude B wrote:
Many restrictions in Isere since yesterday. Any cars without a vignette or higher than 3 banned. Not sure how that works in practise given that the main autoroute to the Med passes through and is likely to be busy with cars from all over Europe today.


The main autoroute goes through the Rhone department, not the Isere. There are different rules for the Rhone at the moment.
Vignette 4,5 can go on the expressways and autoroutes in the Isere at present
The speed limit is 70kph on the autoroutes after the peages into Grenoble
There are no controls around Grenoble probably because vignette 4,5 are not affected
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Apologies up front on this, very busy at work just now with no time to read up on this, so if someone knows without any investigation required a bit of advice would be great.
We are traveling to Chamonix in July/August on autoroute in a 2016 diesel car, do I need to get one of these?
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@davidof, Ah ok, it crosses the river a couple of times between the two. It was pretty horrendous when I drove down 10 days ago. Reduced speed limits and queues from Lyon to Orange. And that was on a Friday.
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@Jonny996, Haut Savoie is a ZPA area

In a zone de protection de l'air (ZPA), which tends to be significantly larger than the ZCR zones, traffic is only restricted by public announcement at times of high air pollution; and all vehicles must display a vignette at those times.

So potentially you will need one to get there. A 2016 diesel is likely to be 2 or 3 but displaying that with a vignette would be necessary.
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Claude B wrote:


So potentially you will need one to get there. A 2016 diesel is likely to be 2 or 3 but displaying that with a vignette would be necessary.


I tend to agree with Claude, although the locals don't seem to bother much with them as he mentioned above. However the police are regularly on the toll boths doing various controls.

I checked the Rhone - (lyon) and Paris and suburbs and only 0,1,2 are allowed to drive during daylight hours. In Lyon transiting vehicles on the autoroutes are allowed though. So no worries if you don't have a vignette so long as you don't leave the autoroutes/expressways.

The whole thing is an utter nonsense. They are based on the EURO norms not on the harmful pollutants are car emits when it is hot. There are cars like the new Twingo or Smart which get a 1 sticker but emit more harmful pollution than a 1980s Soviet diesel truck.
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ive had a look & its going to be a royal pain, it wants copy of log book ect & I don't have that as car is work lease car. so even though its a euro 6 class car & will be a certificate 2, I need to do a hell of a lot of running about. FOR A 4 EURO certificate.
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@Jonny996, if you are driving outside of the UK you need to carry the registration document in the car at all times anyway (legal requirement in practically all countries). That is all you need to get the sticker, the application process is pretty painless, the biggest pain is making sure the image of the reg document is less than 400MB.

I agree that lots of French probably dont bother but occasional very difficult French police officers are well known (especially to non French drivers, German registered cars as much as British ones!), its much better to have the right paperwork and avoid the small chance of a lot of grief.
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Not quite. When I had a company car they used to provide me with a letter of authorisation and a VE103 when I took it abroad.
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Must get my finger out and buy another one. We had windscreen replaced in January.
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@Hells Bells, sell you mine for €2.50 Laughing
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Anything higher than 2 or without barred from the Grenoble area tomorrow. Free public transport. There have been restrictions all this week between Lyon and Grenoble. How it works in practise I dont know I'm afraid.

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/auvergne-rhone-alpes/isere/grenoble/grenoble-episode-pollution-persiste-restrictions-supplementaires-mises-place-routes-1778765.html
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Geneva zone is also active.
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Claude B wrote:
Anything higher than 2 or without barred from the Grenoble area tomorrow. Free public transport. There have been restrictions all this week between Lyon and Grenoble. How it works in practise I dont know I'm afraid.

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/auvergne-rhone-alpes/isere/grenoble/grenoble-episode-pollution-persiste-restrictions-supplementaires-mises-place-routes-1778765.html


No problem with my 25 year old vehicle today but it is do smoggy you would be hard pressed to see any vignette.
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