 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi,
I am having issues with the bindings while touring. These are my first pair of touring bindings, prior I used Jester Pro's for downhill charging. I went for these over the speed turns.
I bought these as I wanted to start skinning/touring after trying a friends set up and enjoying reaching the terrain.
While skinning, the bindings/toe pins keep popping off. There seems to be play in the toe when I am clicked on to just trough mode with a heel block down.
Anyone had this issue or know why it's happening? The boot pin holes are not iced up. Any slight rotation of the toe (a kick turn for example) and my ski comes off. Are the bindings set up wrong? Am I not using them correctly? Any ideas or help here much appreciated.
Cheers.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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You need to lock the toes for touring! Normally there is a lever to pull up at the front of the toe piece, not sure if it's the same for the Beast. Make sure you UNLOCK them before riding down too!!
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I've been doing this, the black toe goes down on the ski for touring and back up for downhill.
The bindings are still coming off while touring.
Unless you mean something else by "lock"?
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@CRobert1, Which boots are you using, and do you have the green or gold Beast 16's? If the gold ones, do they have the additional lock leaver on the top?
As a test put the ski on a flat surface, lock down the first heel riser. Click in the toe and lock down the toe leaver (and the additional lock leaver if present). Then rotate the boot up to 90 degrees and push forward. If everything is fully 'locked', you should be able to push really quiet hard without release. If however, they easily pop out, there is definitely an issue, either with the boot or the binding/installation.
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I have got the gold beast bindings.
Boot: Lange XT130 FREETOUR LV
I am out at the moment and will do the test later. Thanks a lot.
There is a small silver part that pops up/down when I click in/out but I have never used this for anything? (Toe Box Adjust). Is this relevant or?
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That is the 'new' lever, that should be pushed flat. It ensures that the toe is fully in the tour mode.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Wed 18-01-17 22:31; edited 1 time in total
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Ok.
I will give this a try when I get back and get back to you.
Thank you very much for the help, been great and appreciate it.
Cheers
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I should add, that the Toe Box Adjust leaver should be pushed flat (flush), even when in downhill mode. This leaver was added to try and ensure that the toe is properly set, because it needs to take into account insert wear, and non-Dynafit inserts.
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I have a new pair of Beasts, not used on snow yet. I've tried them in the house so I don't appear to be a complete muppet first time out. There's no doubt they will release with both the toe box and lock lever in the correct position. I'm assuming it's because my boots (Salomon) are not Dynafit compatible as it's contact between the boot toe and the binding that causes the release.
The boot does need to rotate to 90 degrees to come into contact with the binding, but given my lack of touring experience I can't rule this out. Question for me is whether I need leashes or the fact the skins will be on will save the ski?
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@Val Desire, I would go with leashes in that situation. On hard packed snow if the slope is steep enough the ski might just keep rolling down the slope. If it lands flat skin side down it should stick, but I would want to risk my day on it. Obviously in deep or soft snow the ski is unlikely to go anywhere. The B&D leashes are highly recommended.
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@CRobert1, check that the edges of the rubber sole on the toe lugs aren't rubbing on the toe wings as that will still the toe wings from full engaging. Click your empty boot in to the toe, put the lever forward in to tour mode (no need to fully lock it down) & then rotate the boot fully forward & check for clearance all around the boot - you'll need a good light source to do this properly. Any areas that are rubbing need grinding/trimming off a bit until they clear. 90% of all boots need this doing to a greater or lesser extent, even some of the Dynafit boot models.
And whilst you're at it check that, when in tour mode with the first riser down, that the underside of the boot heel is sitting on the riser and not resting/catching on the heel binding pins. As the heel pins are so big in diameter (ie bomber!) it's common to have to 'funnel' the rubber boot sole around the lead-in area to the slots to ensure clearance etc.
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Hi,
When I lock my boots in a cannot get the small silver/red toe box lever flush. It sticks out.
Is it supposed to be flush for sure?
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You know it makes sense.
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It's almost like the boot is wrong for the binding.
There is no running from the boot on the front or back.
When the pins go into the boot and the binding locks, it's almost like the pins need to go in another 2/3MM each side of the boot in order for the to piece to be completely locked. This would in turn, make the silver leaver 'toe box adjust' leaver go down. What exactly does the toe box adjust leaver do?
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It is a little difficult to describe.
When the toe is open you will be able to see two arms, one either side, that link the central 'piston/spring' to the side arms which hold the pins. When open these form an arrow pointing forwards. When you insert the toe and the pins engage, the same arms will almost be line across the ski. When the toe box adjust lever is fully flush, the two arms form an arrow point very slightly backwards. At least they do with my boots/bindings. I should add, it takes very firm push to get the lever flush.
I guess the function is to ensure that the spring and geometry of the various arms/pivots are set to release in the optimal fashion.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Wed 18-01-17 21:30; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@CRobert1, Since I am packing my gear to go skiing on Saturday, I've taken a couple of pictures to show the subtle difference in these arms caused by getting the toe box lever flush. The first is with the boot inserted, with the lever up, and second with it flush. You can see the difference in the angle of the arms. I guess if you cannot achieve this with your boots, then the toe tech inserts are too far apart for the adjustment to make up the difference. Do you know anyone else with tech boots, so you could try theirs and see if they lock down?
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Wed 18-01-17 22:27; edited 2 times in total
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Toe Box Adjust Open
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Toe Box Adjust Closed
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Powderadict, you've solved my problem.
It took a pretty hard push to get the toe adjust leaver flush, but this fixed it. Something so simple!!!
The boots now sit very firmly in the binding, like they should, in tour mode. They no longer ore release with slighr twisting/pressure.
Again, thank you very much for the help. Much appreciated.
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@CRobert1, Result, happy to help 
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Apparently Dynafit have dropped the Beast from its offerings next year.
Heard anything SpyderJon?
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Swedish Italian based guide I've been with the past couple of days said the same - he was not at all complementary about Beasts and was not surprised Dynafit have pulled them from their range - though I suppose there is a market for them 
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Apparently Dynafit have dropped the Beast from its offerings next year.
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Didn't Jon post something saying they were stopping the 16 and only continuing with the 14?
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