 Poster: A snowHead
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It's been bugging me since our return from Serfaus Fiss Ladis at half term, but I need to get it off my chest and ask for some SH advice.
As a parent and in my case father there are many things you can accept about your children, but how do you accept something about your son that you would rather not.
Mrs KK and I have long suspected that our eldest may have this trait, but at 15 rising 16 its is really starting to show. It concerns me and I do not know how to approach or deal with it, other than being disappointed and wound up.
Yes, my 15 year old is a FAFFER 
If you have skied with a faffer you will know that it can become contagious. He fiddles and faffs, my younger son starts and then you want to check bindings, have I got my phone, wallet etc etc. You have a stiff word with yourself...Stop you know you've got everything, but at the next opportunity to faff, he will start again and you forcibly have to prevent yourself and others from joining in. 
HELP... Are their any support groups or organisations that we can join?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I suspect faffing is typically the result of a lack of preparation which, to be fair, probably describes pretty much all teenagers.
My only advice would be to never, ever, say the words "Right, has everybody got everything?" All it ever does is raise the fear of having forgotten something and ingrain the habit of checking everything twice.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I blame the parents! 
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@knackered knees, I'll set up a support group with you. My elder daughter takes an age to get ready. Mind, once she's ready, you won't stop her..... Next year, I think I'll set off skiing half an hour before she's ready
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Give it a few months and you can just release him into the wild.
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Am impressed its taken this long for it to show up. Dont think there is a known cure once infected though.
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Being serious it could be nerves/lack of confidence. Have a closer 'look' next time at his body language/attitude 
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We sent ours to the local rugby club to get this trait sorted.
Unfortunately he did his ACL and hasn't boarded since last March.
Still he's not faffing around with his headphones or checking his MySpace on his cellphone at the top of every lift 
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@dobby, Like the idea of setting off earlier, mind you me getting effed off with waiting and setting off led to a major strop
@adithorp, He's just announced that he wants to go to medical school so no chance of that for a few years 
@ster, It's being showing for years, but really became apparent this year, or I'm getting more impatient (grumpy in his words)
@martinm, No lack of confidence, he does it everywhere. Trying to get out of house on time for anything is a trial.
@WindOfChange, He manages to faff with getting ready for rugby so no help there
@marcellus, So do I, oh err umm, on second thoughts there must be an outside influence
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What goes around comes around!! Still I'll bet you've never got to the lift in the morning and then he announces he's forgotten his lift pass.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Buy him a snowboard - sorted
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I am a Faffer....I "came out" 23 years ago in Faffers' Anonymous.
Skiing in particular feeds into a Faffer's neurosis....with four things in particular standing out.
1. Too many pockets
Finding the thing you're looking for (lip stuff/suncream/map/glasses wipe/money/phone/handkerchief/painkillers/anti-fog spray/insurance receipt/spare lens) is like a game of Pelmanism.
2. Front Entry boots
Rear entry boots without a velcro strap were quick to adjust. Front entry boots are not, especially as it involves unzipping trouser leg/opening snow gaiter and lots of micro adjusting.
3. Powder Ribbons
A Faffer's paradise.
4. Small children
Everything is multiplied up, by the number of children. They are too young to faff, so you faff on their behalf. Faffing can be described as "Spending your time doing a lot of unimportant things instead of the thing you should be doing"....if it hadn't been for Lady F, we'd have done no skiing at all, as it would have been time for lunch before I'd finished faffing!
As for a solution....I live in hope. 
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Fri 3-03-17 10:39; edited 2 times in total
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Mine is 24. I have my second week with him in Val at Easter. Despite 3 seasons he is still afflicted. So much so he has named himself captain faff. Usually electronics , chargers etc. There is no escape. Even his gf couldn't cure him.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Old Fartbag, Ahh the boots. Every bloody stop he has to fiddle, but this involves taking off goggles, gloves, unvelcroing sleeves, etc, the micro adjusting of clips and the reversing the process.
Perhaps you can help advise @dobby, and myself as we are looking for support
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
4. Small children
Everything is multiplied up, by the number of children. |
Surely to the power of the number of children ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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@endoman, I believe the root of all modern day faffing is related to the gadgetry and apps available to the faffer
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I suspect it is a teenager thing?! My teenage son faffs about all the time but he doesn't faff about when we go skiing as he is always desperate to start as early as possible. However, he will faff about after skiing. He definitely faffs about every morning before school!
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Boot faffing is a noble art.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| knackered knees wrote: |
| @endoman, I believe the root of all modern day faffing is related to the gadgetry and apps available to the faffer |
Thank goodness I don't understand gadgetry, as if I had to add all that "New School" faffing, to my "Old School" faffing, I don't know where I'd be at. 
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@knackered knees, ...our research in my unit shows that the 'faffing propensity' is located in an obscure zone of DNA which we have called the FAFF gene (Farting About for F***ing Forever). This has a latency until around the age of 12. If not addressed with gene and cognitive therapy it can become entrenched, and make the subject prone to the 'obsessed with equipment' virus - which is systemically insidious and severely compromises the subject's ability to get on with skiing. Gene therapy consists of whacking the helmet of the faffing adolescent with a ski glove and shouting loudly '...TIME TO GET ON WITH SOME SKIING YOU BLITHERING IDIOT...' or providing cognitive therapy by skiing off and habituating the subject with fast exits. An additional therapy being piloted in the Valais region is to state clearly on entering a gondola 'FFS get your faffing done in the lift or I will disown you... or worse, confiscate the ipad...'. There is an ethical and medical submission to the appropriate regulatory body for removal of the FAFF gene in human embryos. This is likely to succeed since four of the assessing panel have skiing adolescents in the family.
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In my experience (of my friends) - once a Faffer always a Faffer. It does not improve with age, indeed gets worse.
So..get him married off as quickly as possible and he then becomes the OH's problem 
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@Old Fartbag, that's 'Old Skool' faffing you Old Skooler.
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| valais2 wrote: |
| @Old Fartbag, that's 'Old Skool' faffing you Old Skooler. |
Putting the Kool into Skool....that's me all right.
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@Hurtle, now that's interesting...
2001 X-Waves - zero faffing. On in the morning. Ski. Take off in the twilight at the end of the day. Done.
2015 Atomic Hawks - crank up in the morning, Crank at 11, 12, 13:30, 14:00, 15:45, 16:50. Irritating.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Buy him a snowboard - sorted
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Ha, that involves enforced faffing at the top of every lift (something I am very guilty of myself)!
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You know it makes sense.
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| Boot faffing is a noble art. |
I concur.
Other types of faff are less acceptable though, phone faff in particular is inexcusable.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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One of my regular ski companions is a confirmed faffer. On a UCPA trip a couple of years ago one of the Swedes in our group was even worse - the other Swedes thought 'Faffing' was just about the best word they'd ever heard!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@T Bar,
Sounds like The Mojo should be at the top of my faffing chart!
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Fri 3-03-17 10:40; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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That's why I'm putting off the evil moment of getting a Mojo! 
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@Hurtle,
Definitely a faff but they do help I have to confess.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@T Bar, I know. I'll almost certainly have to succumb in the end.
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| martinm wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
4. Small children
Everything is multiplied up, by the number of children. |
Surely to the power of the number of children ? |
Easily exponential.
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| boabski wrote: |
| Buy him a snowboard - sorted |
I thought we were looking for a solution to the problem, not how to make it ten times worse?
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Rumour has it that snowHead Scarpa is a master at faffing - perhaps Kooky can verify?
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Although, with using a Libre scanner for blood glucose readings I no longer have to Faff doing blood tests. In fact, lately even my BFQ (Boot Faff Quotient) has been dropping although a new pair of off piste boots has rectified that situation.
I skied with a guy the other year who must be the legendary King of the Faffers. He managed a full 10 minutes adjusting his gloves and liners on a guided off piste day 
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