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Carving on short outrigger edges?

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All you need is...the parabolic carving edge, ok!
But do we really need a long ski edge?
No! A short secondary edge can also do the job.



By the way, my name is PHOENIX. While turning, my short “carving blades” carry the
full load of the skier and the centrifugal force, such cutting a deeper groove and

leaving a very clean track.

Unlike a long ski edge, the outrigger edge can carve turns of nearly any radius.
Well, that`s the advantage of a short runner as compared with a long ski edge.
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Tom! We've missed you Madeye-Smiley
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red 27 wrote:
Tom! We've missed you Madeye-Smiley


Yes indeedy.
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red 27 wrote:
Tom! We've missed you Madeye-Smiley


And I`ve missed you, Snowheads.
Let me show you some video


http://youtube.com/v/sCIiKCYsXek

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Yet more backseat action from Raxski rolling eyes

Got pretty damned close to a couple of bystanders as well.
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spyderjon wrote:
Yet more backseat action from Raxski rolling eyes

Got pretty damned close to a couple of bystanders as well.


Indeed. Looks like could cut down the material cost too by getting rid of everything in front of the boot as it's barely in contact with the snow at all.
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Sitter wrote:
.....Looks like could cut down the material cost too by getting rid of everything in front of the boot as it's barely in contact with the snow at all.

Yep. Might as just screw the plate to the boot sole Laughing
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spyderjon wrote:
Yet more backseat action from Raxski rolling eyes

Got pretty damned close to a couple of bystanders as well.


Does look a but tough on the quads.
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spyderjon wrote:
Sitter wrote:
.....Looks like could cut down the material cost too by getting rid of everything in front of the boot as it's barely in contact with the snow at all.

Yep. Might as just screw the plate to the boot sole Laughing


Its like a snow version of "heelys".
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Freeriding?
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Can we have some video of you going into deep snow offpiste? Very Happy
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@tangowaggon, careful... he's got some... plus some footage of 'steeps' (is the picture featuring the anti-grav cord or was that a different one?)

I've never seen a pair of these on someone in Austria. I also contacted Tom to see if he would like to come and do a demo and let me try out or even blag a pair for some of you lot to try when you come out (mainly out of intrigue).

I just think you have got the whole sales pitch wrong, Tom. Stop marketing these as a replacement for skis and implying that everyne who wears skis is an idiot. These look like really fun toys to play about with down the toboggan runs or for a few hours like a ski bike/scooter/fad/whatever.... That is the market you should be going for!
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I believe DB met Tom and tried a pair at some point?
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You know it makes sense.
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I've never seen a pair of these on someone in Austria

Obertauern (that time a few Novembers back that we had a long weekend) is the only place I have seen them being used.

They'd be perfect for me, since I know I ski on my heels Wink

Might take the Salomon Buzz 99's out next time. More edge to use Wink
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Tom once let me have a pair to take up to show off at Hemel when we were doing the regular meets up there.
Unfortunately the bindings were really poorly mounted and actually so wobbly that after some discussion we deemed them unsafe and didn't let anyone ride them.
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spyderjon wrote:
Yet more backseat action from Raxski rolling eyes
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That was my first thought when I saw the video!!
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looks bloody unstable to me! back seat looks the safest place, unless you're into face planting. surely at anything like a decent speed these things will wander about like gods know what! rolling eyes
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@Tom from Austria, Ya do realise that Jake Burton did this before you were an itch in yer dad's nut sack? . . . but welcome back Toofy Grin
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Tom once let me have a pair to take up to show off at Hemel when we were doing the regular meets up there.
Unfortunately the bindings were really poorly mounted and actually so wobbly that after some discussion we deemed them unsafe and didn't let anyone ride them.


Let me apologize for wobbly mounted bindings in 2009, Admin! Aparently we got no proper tools at the exhibition.

Ok, forget all RaxSkis before 2016. This is PHOENIX


Oh, I can remember that a snowhead named DB tested our skis in Austria.
Is he still staying in Vienna? We could ski together and write a new report for you all.
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Is that Jordan on the tip? If so, I claim my etcetc
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red 27 wrote:
Is that Jordan on the tip? If so, I claim my etcetc


Jordan? Who is Jordan?

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achilles wrote:
Does look a but tough on the quads.


I think that's an understatement, they look like bloody hard work to me.
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I think the underlying design principle though @SnoodyMcFlude, is that they're not as hard work as actually learning to ski properly.

During the process of learning to ski, many people have difficulty, at some stage, stopping themselves leaning back.
The main symptom* resulting from this is catching the tails of the skis when trying to turn.
Light bulb moment = get rid of the tails of the skis!


*disregarding the inability to control direction and speed.
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@admin, aah, makes sense. So now you've got rid of the tails the problem of getting them caught up is gone and you only have to deal with being unable to control speed and direction?
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Ok friends, let`s try something new: carving off piste
What? Yeah when you got bored on the groomed piste, just jump over the barrier
and go on carving there.


http://youtube.com/v/bJQ0xanuNCU
Date: Dec 22, place: Stuhleck/Austria, altitude 1,800m, natural snow 0 to 2cm
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@Tom from Austria,

Thats not off piste, hell thats not even crud!!

Ive seen rougher newly groomed pistes rolling eyes Puzzled
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So virtually straight lining a bit of cut up snow immediately adjacent to a low angle piste is "carving off piste".

The world really doesn't need this. You really are an idiot rolling eyes
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PaulC1984 wrote:
Thats not off piste, hell thats not even crud!
Nor is it carving.
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
Hell why bother with skis at all?
https://video.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/15575998_1752609811728289_5855353486144700416_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=e38a626e5f2cf344d71041a00125715a&oe=585E8A6B
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@t44tomo, a few years ago I was watching an ESF floodlit demo in C1850. I commented to my mate in loud drunken voice that the four instructors skiing towards us in a raggetty diamond formation looked pretty $hit & that we could do waaay better. T'was only when they got close did I realise that they slalom'ing down on their boot soles without skis Embarassed
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Tom from Austria wrote:
Ok friends, let`s try something new: carving off piste


Our instructor at the EoSB was carving off piste on skinny piste skis and making it look easy (proper off piste as well, not the tracked out crud in your video). Someone asked the guy what he thought about a certain type of ski and his response was along the lines of "it doesn't matter what you have, piste ski, fat ski, park ski...what matters is the foot in the boot". And seeing him come steaming past me in a foot of soft snow I realised what he meant.
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