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I'm not 100% sure this is real, and I can't see how it could really be enforced, but Ischgl posted this on their Facebook page today...
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If it is true, it is very funny.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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It will definitely be true. They like their rules. It can be carnage some nights but it does seem to be a bit over the top.
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Not sure it's a clamp down on Apres in any way, shape or form.
I guess if you are planning on being out late, get a locker, and put your kit away....then go party? Or go home by 8pm....and come back after?
I don't doubt it's authenticity, and anticipate it will be enforced. I also don't doubt that there will be a few arguments over it.
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Geez, do you work in the Daily Mail's missleading headline team or something?
A local ordinance is being introduced in Ischgl between 8pm and 6am to encorrage people to go home and change if they are out for a big one, rather than clomping home in the middle of the night waking people up and often falling over and injuring themselves. That's miles from your "Ischgl to clamp down on apres" headline.
Apres ski is basically 4pm to 7pm, after that it's a night out. If you want apres you can still do it in full ski gear, if you want. If you want to party through till breakfast you still can, you just need to pop home at the end of apres and change your shoes.
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A pair of rockered rubber sole tracks solves the hard boot problem 
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| Mjit wrote: |
Geez, do you work in the Daily Mail's missleading headline team or something?
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Fair point!
But clearly the intention IS to reduce the apres and get away from Ischgls image as a party resort, otherwise why do it?
I also think trying to tell people what they can and can't wear when (c'mon, no ski boots in a ski resort in the evening?) is pretty shitty. By all means fine people making too much noise or injuring people/damaging property, but that's a different matter. Want to bet the foppers will accept 'I just wanted to go for a night ski/tour' as a suitable and justifiable reason, or will they rather get a slice of that €2000 (seriously, two THOUSAND!! euros) pie?
St Anton had (has?) the 'shhh police' which seemed to work well without penalising anyone who wasn't being a dick. IMO Ischgl are trying to change their image to compete more with Lech/St Anton but in a really idiotic way.
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| IMO Ischgl are trying to change their image to compete more with Lech/St Anton but in a really idiotic way |
Exactly. And that after (Ischgl has no equal in this) spending millions of noisy marketing for years to attract the folks they now apparently want to get rid off.
So much for "Tyrol's leading lifestyle metropolis"......hilarious!
As they say in Vorarlberg: Tiroler Kitsch!!
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so what happens if you are walking through town on your way to or from a night tour?
I can think of many times I've been walking down the hauptstrasse (in Mayrhofen) heading to or from a night tour...i haven't been drinking or dancing on tables...do i still get a fine?
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Metropolis + no noise after 8pm = oxymoron 
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does that mean all ski hire shops need to be closed by 7:30pm, to enable you to get any skis/boards back to your residences in time before the curfew police are out in force????
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Mjit wrote: |
Geez, do you work in the Daily Mail's missleading headline team or something?
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Fair point!
But clearly the intention IS to reduce the apres and get away from Ischgls image as a party resort, otherwise why do it?
I also think trying to tell people what they can and can't wear when (c'mon, no ski boots in a ski resort in the evening?) is pretty shitty. By all means fine people making too much noise or injuring people/damaging property, but that's a different matter. Want to bet the foppers will accept 'I just wanted to go for a night ski/tour' as a suitable and justifiable reason, or will they rather get a slice of that €2000 (seriously, two THOUSAND!! euros) pie?
St Anton had (has?) the 'shhh police' which seemed to work well without penalising anyone who wasn't being a dick. IMO Ischgl are trying to change their image to compete more with Lech/St Anton but in a really idiotic way. |
Where does it say that it is the intention to reduce apres?
You have read the document....in English und auf Deutsch?
Am sure that if people follow the guidance, there will be less injuries caused be falling over in the street, less damage caused to people and property from skis, snowboards etc.
Not mentioned in the document either about the amount of people who
, maybe through drunkeness, pick up the wrong skis or completely forget theirs, leaving problems for other people to have to sort out.
Personally I doubt I have ever woken anyone up and certainly not damaged any property when sneaking home in the early hours, but some it seems haven't grasped this concept.
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You know it makes sense.
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@mayr, yep, both.
It doesn't explicitly state the intention is to reduce apres, but given the focus on new high quality apres and high calibre entertainment I think it's pretty clear that their intention is to create a classier vibe and image and do away with the party town rep.
Which is fine, if that's what they want to do. Totally understand it from a local's perspective. But just go after the people who actually cause the problems rather than treating all their guests like children and telling what to wear when. And keep some sense of proportion when it comes to fines.
Given the majority of guests in Ischgl are adults, they don't need protecting from self-inflicted injuries of falling over whilst drunk - let them be responsible for themselves and learn the lesson if they can't.
Not that it affects me as I only drive to Ischgl for day trips, but it's a disappointingly un-Austrian puritanical nanny-state idea IMO, and would certainly make me think twice about booking a holiday there if I were a tourist (and I have holidayed there in the past).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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I wonder how many people will be walking the streets in socks post 8:30.
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I love the way that it says "the regulation is intended to increase the quality of your stay". I can't thing if anything that will improve my holiday more than a €2000 fine
Unnecessary rules are something I particularly despise, and rules regarding clothing often fall in to this category. 8pm?! Hardly a late one. And laws about what you can carry should be limited to weapons and other items that could realistically be considered dangerous.
I bet they don't apply such rules to the local churches ringing their bells well before dawn. When I was in Ischgl, the bells were a much greater and more regular disturbance to sleep that someone walking past in ski boots, carrying their skis!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So presumably being a dynafit booted fun sponge both solves the noise problem and acts as a credible excuse as no one so beardy and worthy would ever be out for just a good time 
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| Scarlet wrote: |
Unnecessary rules are something I particularly despise, and rules regarding clothing often fall in to this category. 8pm?! Hardly a late one. And laws about what you can carry should be limited to weapons and other items that could realistically be considered dangerous.
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I caused $800 of damage to my own nose just walking across an icy carpark courtesy of a fresh pair of skis so dangerous is relative.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, well that's punishment enough, surely? I expect you didn't do it again. Another couple of grand on top is just putting the boot in.
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@Dave of the Marmottes,
Your nose is worth more than $800 
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I think every resort should have mandatory how to "carry your skis" lessons with certification before you can buy a lift pass.
Most of the scratches on my helmet have been from dimwits spinning around to blow air kisses at their vacuous chums with skis horizontal on their shoulders
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| clarky999 wrote: |
@mayr, yep, both.
It doesn't explicitly state the intention is to reduce apres, but given the focus on new high quality apres and high calibre entertainment I think it's pretty clear that their intention is to create a classier vibe and image and do away with the party town rep.
Which is fine, if that's what they want to do. Totally understand it from a local's perspective. But just go after the people who actually cause the problems rather than treating all their guests like children and telling what to wear when. And keep some sense of proportion when it comes to fines.
Given the majority of guests in Ischgl are adults, they don't need protecting from self-inflicted injuries of falling over whilst drunk - let them be responsible for themselves and learn the lesson if they can't.
Not that it affects me as I only drive to Ischgl for day trips, but it's a disappointingly un-Austrian puritanical nanny-state idea IMO, and would certainly make me think twice about booking a holiday there if I were a tourist (and I have holidayed there in the past). |
So why have you put 'Ischgl to clamp down on apres' in the title to this thread then then? Sensationalism.....sell more papers?
I fully anticipate you will be contacted regarding libellous remarks
Perhaps it has something to do with health and safety? And duty of care etc? You should know, Ischgl is a business.
The bottom line seems to be, if you want to wear your boots and carry you skis or board after 8pm you need a good reason. (8pm is the last ski bus btw)
The amount of 'upto EUR 2,000' may seem high, however there are plenty of people around who would ignore a smaller amount perhaps and run the gauntlet of not complying with the order. So perhaps the fine limit is set so to include even the wealthy.
There are many locker facilities on the mountain and in town if you wish to extend you apres into the night time, which will be an inexpensive alternative to a fine.
I am not sure if there is a specific individual reason for bringing in this rule/bylaw, but would imagine there has been an increase in injuries and/or damage caused by people wearing boots and carrying skis/boards etc. I am sure we have probably all had to dodge someone with skis on shoulder turning around at some stage or other. I know there have been vehicles (private and commercial [ski buses]) damaged previously due to carelessness with skis and boards.
I suspect the risk of damage or injury in town increases with the amount of alcohol consumed.
I doubt very much if the town would ever consider prohibiting the sale of alcohol or even limiting it's sale.
Perhaps far more frequently there is more damage and injury on the slopes caused by careless behaviour, and personally would far rather see efforts made to reduce this in Ischgl or any other resort.
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| under a new name wrote: |
I think every resort should have mandatory how to "carry your skis" lessons with certification before you can buy a lift pass.
Most of the scratches on my helmet have been from dimwits spinning around to blow air kisses at their vacuous chums with skis horizontal on their shoulders |
Well you'd think after it happening once you'd learn to stand or walk further back from the person in front of you. You'll never stop dimwits being dimwits.
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Only in your head does it seem the intention exists to limit apres.
It will not limit apres for me.... not even once.
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@mayr, I'm surprised you can't read the intention in the message that Ischgl no longer wants the rep of wild party town. Seems clear to me, to most of the commenters on their FB post, and plenty of others discussing it on FB. By no means just me, and by no means just Brits either for that matter.
Plus the obvious you have to go home and/or pay for a locker to keep a change of shoes by 8pm is an 8pm limit if you want to be pedantic about it.
But gotta go skiing now
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Doesn't read that it is trying to stop après is my reading of it, merely says they are trying to reduce noise from pi$$ed up idiots in town carrying skis (or rather trying to) AND wearing hard soled ski boots after 8pm.
I have personally got tired of losers spoiling my well earned sleep at 2-3am as they fall all over the place in St Anton and no longer normally stay in town for that very reason. I see it as a means of ensuring the centre of Ischgl stays a chilled and cool place to be for the majority, not just for a bunch of folk who over-indulge who want to spoil it for the silent majority.
I really enjoy 2-3 drinks after skiing, and wine over dinner its part of my holiday but typically young Brits and Skandis who cant take their drink falling all over and shouting at 3am, dragging their ski and boarding kit along the city centre, urinating/ being ill etc, deserve to get fined, I'd love to see them enforce it but doubt they will. I think folk off out for a moonlight tour will be fine, unless they are the ones doing the drinking before they set off up the hill, which I doubt!
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You know it makes sense.
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| Markymark29 wrote: |
| ... but typically young Brits and Skandis who cant take their drink falling all over and shouting at 3am, dragging their ski and boarding kit along the city centre, urinating/ being ill etc, deserve to get fined |
Be careful about posting comments like that, stantroll will be jumping into this thread soon!
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Seems clear to me, to most of the commenters on their FB post, and plenty of others discussing it on FB. |
Well, case closed then. You and a load of other people with no official connection to the Ischgl authorities who have jumped to a conclusion based on either reading the English translation of a press release (though probably on FaceBook just reacting to other people's posts) MUST be right.
Bringing a bit of reality in to the situation - I can't actually recall seeing very many people out in Ischgl post 8pm still in ski gear. Most people seem to either drop their skis and change before heading out for apres or hit the apres from the slopes, then head home to drop skis and change before dinner. As such this is just a tool to help keep a lid on a small group who's anti-social behaviour can spoil things for the vast majority of visitors.
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@mayr, according to an interview with TVB Direktor Andreas Stein it's about quality, so trying to get rid of the 'Ballerman' image that Ischgl now enjoys. So in effect it is about trying to give Ischgl an image facelift ( which it needs imo. I don't go there for that very reason ).
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Unfortunately when common sense, good manners and consideration go out the window, then a town has no alternative but to enforce what were previous 'norms'.
Quite sad really.
And certainly not confined to Ischgl.
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@Alastair Pink, OK, I'll Include Dutchmen too then, they are pretty noisy too. That should get him nicely hooked....i'll resist the temptation to mention noisy clogs out of politeness though...
@Steilhang, I agree, I personally don't like to image of the place, skiing may be great but its a lads-week town imo, and I've little interest in the place currently. If they sort it and initiatives like this help then I'd be keen to go back one day.
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| Mjit wrote: |
| clarky999 wrote: |
| Seems clear to me, to most of the commenters on their FB post, and plenty of others discussing it on FB. |
Well, case closed then. You and a load of other people with no official connection to the Ischgl authorities who have jumped to a conclusion based on either reading the English translation of a press release (though probably on FaceBook just reacting to other people's posts) MUST be right.
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Thanks for the condescension.
I already said earlier I read the German PR release too. I've also heard on the radio several times in German. And spoken to a bunch of Austrians about it. In German.
FWIW I live here, I work in the ski (and leisure/travel) industry, am involved in marketing campaigns with the Tirolean Tourism Office and various resorts (there's a lot of collaboration between many resorts and businesses across the state), and have a pretty good insight into Ischgl's marketing problem (it's not rocket science!!). I also ski there several times a season as it's on my season pass.
The people I reference on Facebook involves conversations with a bunch of ski/tourism industry people in Tirol I know - including guides, instructors (locals not gap year types), pro skiers and boarders, film and media crews, marketing people from various resorts/tourism offices, owners and staff from various bars/hotels/shops/hardware manufacturers/etc in various parts of Tirol and Austria, etc. BTW that was also in German.
I don't want to name drop, show off, or sound to cool for school, but I have a pretty good insight into the goings on of the industry here.
You can either choose to believe that Ischgl are doing this because they are genuinely concerned lots of their guests can't sleep at 8pm because of the sound of ski boots, or that out of the goodness of the hearts they want to protect drunk guests from falling over by threatening financial pain instead of injury.
Or you can look at the reality of the situation.
Ischgl has an image problem - evidence by plenty of comments in this thread and many others on this forum. Many consider it to be first and foremost a party town, with people dancing on tables throwing back Jägermeister all night, "drunk Germans vomiting on the streets," and that serious skiers should go to the Arlberg as Ischgl has no serious skiing. Or that people with money should go to Lech, for that matter.
This is plainly nonsense - Ischgl is a great resort with fantastic skiing, and the apres crowds/drinking are no worse (or better) than St Anton. You can go wild if you want, or you can find somewhere quieter. It's by no means all pervasive.
Unfortunately, that's the image regardless. So what can they do about it? Well, now they are making sure no-one is going to be dancing on tables in ski boots and swilling Jäger all night, and are clearly trying to focus on - and promote - higher end and classier activities.
Which is fair enough. I don't think trying to change their image is a bad thing at all. I do think banning ski boots from the centre of a ski resort in the early evening is patently ridiculous though, and that they could have done it in a way that doesn't show a clear lack of respect to their guests.
Once again, I do accept that the title of this thread is a fairly ridiculous over exaggeration, but making sure people stop apres to go home and change their shoes by 8pm IS putting restrictions in place, even if you consider it a fairly small inconvenience. DO you honestly think a €2k fine if you walk more than 10m to a taxi is fair or proportional?
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| Markymark29 wrote: |
Doesn't read that it is trying to stop après is my reading of it, merely says they are trying to reduce noise from pi$$ed up idiots in town carrying skis (or rather trying to) AND wearing hard soled ski boots after 8pm.
I have personally got tired of losers spoiling my well earned sleep at 2-3am as they fall all over the place in St Anton and no longer normally stay in town for that very reason. I see it as a means of ensuring the centre of Ischgl stays a chilled and cool place to be for the majority, not just for a bunch of folk who over-indulge who want to spoil it for the silent majority.
I really enjoy 2-3 drinks after skiing, and wine over dinner its part of my holiday but typically young Brits and Skandis who cant take their drink falling all over and shouting at 3am, dragging their ski and boarding kit along the city centre, urinating/ being ill etc, deserve to get fined, I'd love to see them enforce it but doubt they will. I think folk off out for a moonlight tour will be fine, unless they are the ones doing the drinking before they set off up the hill, which I doubt! |
See this is exactly the point. The police can already cause trouble for drunks chundering or pissing in the street. Likewise they are already free to stop people singing and shouting all night. Totally fine in my book! But they don't need to treat all their guests as children incapable of looking after and taking responsibility for themselves - or telling them when they have to go home to get changed.
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@clarky999, Think you are very right.
And the boys here in the forum that cannot accept Ischgl's new policy, well aren't they actually reacting like teenage boys being patronized, which they resent? ....Boys, you'll have to accept it, Ischgl can and will patronize as it likes!
The funny thing of course is that Ischgl has been spending million of euro's on marketing to actually get to this situation. Unlike any other major skiresort in The Alps.
The huge parties with big stars at both the start and end of the season have surely contributed to this image of "Ibiza of the Alps".
And still -also this press release- they like to see themselves als "Tyrol's leading lifestyle metropolis"
Which suggests they should asap find a new PR-agent, teaching them some style and sensible marketing.
It has been suggested that Ischgl would surely not limit apres-ski because then they will lose money. Well, here ("Follow the money!") of course we get to the core of the issue: Ischgl is realizing they are making more money with hotels and restaurants. And these hotels and restaurants are suffering from some aspects of apres-ski.....
And, actually, Ischgl can probably make even much more money in hotels and restaurants than already is happening.
Comparing the Lech-Zürs hotels (9 5 star hotels, 67 4 star hotels) with Ischgl (1 5 star, ~50 4 star) makes things very clear: Lech, totally lacking in serious "Austrian" style apres-ski, is making much more money in its hotels.
And I (a Lech-fan, but not able to pay 5 star ) can definitely see a restyled Ischgl making Lech's future less bright!
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This really has nothing to do with Apres Ski. As has been said before Ischgl has a strict policy of ending Apres Ski at 7.30pm and kicks people out pretty quickly at that time due to pressure from the hotels to get people back in to eat.
This is surely aimed at those that carry on drinking right through and then stagger back singing at 1am or 2am, sometimes falling over and injuring themselves or those that go back earlier (10pm / 11pm when things are much busier) and almost take peoples heads off with their ski's.
I'd suggest it won't last long. As others have said the Austrian Police have powers anyway to stop people that are causing a problem and aren't shy in using them. All that really needs to be changed in the time. 8pm is too early in my opinion. Change it to 11pm or midnight and it's probably workable and people will live with it. I can see the Dutch all coming out in clogs though in protest.
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