 Poster: A snowHead
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This holiday is my first with my knee safe bindings. On the whole I got on with then fine and even managed to test the lateral heal release after doing something silly (isn't it always!).
The only issue I have is I find it very hard to push down and get them on. Does anybody else use these? Do you get the same issue. Is it something I can loose somehow or is there an issue with mine? They were fitted and set by Jon when I did my ski service tuition with him.
Thanks all.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The Kneebindings run a reasonable amount of forward pressure (not as high as some of the Marker bindings but higher than average) which is required to achieve their precise release values in all four directions (as opposed to the usual three).
When combined with a short boot & a fairly strong brake spring this can make them a bit trickier to click in to (like the Marker Jester/Griffon/Duke/Baron family). A clean boot is required & the trick when stepping in is to have the binding positioned slightly in front of your standing foot so that the pressure is applied downwards & slightly forwards to depress the brake easier - as opposed having the binding level or slightly behind your standing foot when the pressure is applied straight down/rearward which won't collapse the brake.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@spyderjon, thanks for that. Will try it on the next outing. The issue really comes to fore when trying to get them on while on a steep slope. Thankfully a kind lady on the slope came to my aid.
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@NickyJ, For steep slopes, a nice little trick an ex-  taught me is to cross your downhill leg in front of your uphill (standing) leg and pop it into the ski first.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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^ ^ ^ Diverskify taught me that trick, not that that's how I would describe it, but rather I would say place both skis uphill of your feet and then cross your downhill foot over your uphill foot and step into the nearest ski first. At which point the free ski and foot will be uphill. 
The other trick he taught me, to release the brake more easily, was to step into the binding as though you were about to lift the tip of the ski at the same time. I think that's to get the forward pressure which @spyderjon, describes.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| ... place both skis uphill of your feet and then cross your downhill foot over your uphill foot and step into the nearest ski first. |
This. Amazes me how many skiers, including experienced skiers, struggle to put on their skis on a steep slope if they have has a fall and both skis have released. Key thing is to ensure that the boot goes in to the binding at the correct angle, and if you stand between your skis (or worse still, above your skis) the boot going in to the downhill ski will not be correctly aligned with the binding.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| ^ ^ ^ Diverskify taught me that trick, not that that's how I would describe it, but rather I would say place both skis uphill of your feet and then cross your downhill foot over your uphill foot and step into the nearest ski first. At which point the free ski and foot will be uphill. . |
It's also how I would describe this method, which I was taught by a ski instructor soon after I started skiing.
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@rob@rar, never had an issue with normal bindings in the past... The knee safe ones l find i need to almost jump up and down to get on (clearly need a better technique!) one thing on the fat impossible on a steep slope.
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NickyJ, very interesting to hear your experience with the knee bindings. With the frequency of acl injuries amongst even the most expert skiers it would be good to see more developments in this area.
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Hurtle wrote: |
| ... place both skis uphill of your feet and then cross your downhill foot over your uphill foot and step into the nearest ski first. |
This. Amazes me how many skiers, including experienced skiers, struggle to put on their skis on a steep slope if they have has a fall and both skis have released. |
Hmm, wonder if you've just uncovered the reason some use off-the-chart DIN settings, can't get their skis back on if they do come off in a fall 
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@balernoStu, agreed. I ruptured mine skiing originally in 2004. Unfortunately I then managed to take out half the reconstruction a few years ago. Anything I can do to preserve what's left is well worth it!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The problem I have in getting back in invariably is finding a place that is solid enough. I seem to pop mostly in off piste powder. Getting the skis flat and level is never an issue but every time I try to get a foot in the other one sinks about the metre down into the snow and I end up with my knee parallel with my chin. Try getting accurate downward pressure from that angle!
+1 for the off the scale din settings
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