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| Also I fear what will happen if we get a majority of Muslims in the country. |
Well that's never going to happen, at least not in the sort of timescale that matters to my family. The scaremongering usually goes along the lines of blind extrapolation of recent growth trends. Complete BS.
I think we are very very long way from having a muslim PM in power! |
We have MPs that are Muslims and if one of them has the ability to govern then I hope they are not prevented by the Daily Fail and its like-minded readers. Several years ago who would have foreseen the USA having an African American President?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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| I think immigration from the EU has been very positive for the UK. |
I'm sure it has been positive for the UK as a whole. Positive for those competing for certain kinds of jobs, housing and services, that's not so clear and those people have votes too. |
^ equal number of UK citizens have gone the other way to live in Europe.
Whilst "housing, jobs and services" are genuine issues for government to address it is factually incorrect to blame EU migrants for these problems.
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Yet the net migration figure is?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Mike-H wrote: |
| uktrailmonster wrote: |
| DixieDean wrote: |
| Also I fear what will happen if we get a majority of Muslims in the country. |
Well that's never going to happen, at least not in the sort of timescale that matters to my family. The scaremongering usually goes along the lines of blind extrapolation of recent growth trends. Complete BS.
I think we are very very long way from having a muslim PM in power! |
We have MPs that are Muslims and if one of them has the ability to govern then I hope they are not prevented by the Daily Fail and its like-minded readers. Several years ago who would have foreseen the USA having an African American President? |
Exactly. There's nothing to fear from normal people.
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| uktrailmonster wrote: |
| DixieDean wrote: |
| Also I fear what will happen if we get a majority of Muslims in the country. |
Well that's never going to happen, at least not in the sort of timescale that matters to my family. The scaremongering usually goes along the lines of blind extrapolation of recent growth trends. Complete BS.
I think we are very very long way from having a muslim PM in power! |
Just think back 30 years , How many Muslims/Mosques/Burquas did you see in your City & Towns???
The Netherlands is Muslim population over the last 10 years has exploded
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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| I think immigration from the EU has been very positive for the UK. |
I'm sure it has been positive for the UK as a whole. Positive for those competing for certain kinds of jobs, housing and services, that's not so clear and those people have votes too. |
^ equal number of UK citizens have gone the other way to live in Europe.
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Any source for that?
The ones I have found all suggest a net inflow from the EU to the UK (about 180,000 in year to June 2015).
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/november-2015/stb-msqr-november-2015.html
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Chalet Company's. after a Brexit
Incorporated in the Country they conduct business.
Employees , Local & rest of EU so more than likely the cheapest they can find from the EU (Romania,Poland)
Paid Salary, Normal work conditions,hours, Sick Pay, Pension, insured.
Chalet/Tourist Companys should be preparing a Plan B for this eventuality.
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| stanton wrote: |
| uktrailmonster wrote: |
| DixieDean wrote: |
| Also I fear what will happen if we get a majority of Muslims in the country. |
Well that's never going to happen, at least not in the sort of timescale that matters to my family. The scaremongering usually goes along the lines of blind extrapolation of recent growth trends. Complete BS.
I think we are very very long way from having a muslim PM in power! |
Just think back 30 years , How many Muslims/Mosques/Burquas did you see in your City & Towns???
The Netherlands is Muslim population over the last 10 years has exploded
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/28/muslim-population-country-projection-2030 |
I grew up in Oldham, which had quite a significant muslim population 30 years ago. I'm sure it's bigger now though, haven't been there for years.
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| Gerry wrote: |
Exactly. There's nothing to fear from normal people. |
That's right, normal people who don't believe in god (in a literal sense at least). I'll get my coat!
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@uktrailmonster, Are you suggesting that people who believe in God are not normal. Blasphemy!!!
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| I think immigration from the EU has been very positive for the UK. |
I'm sure it has been positive for the UK as a whole. Positive for those competing for certain kinds of jobs, housing and services, that's not so clear and those people have votes too. |
^ equal number of UK citizens have gone the other way to live in Europe.
Whilst "housing, jobs and services" are genuine issues for government to address it is factually incorrect to blame EU migrants for these problems.
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Firstly let me be clear I will be voting STAY.
I don't think however looking at the overall balance of migration explains why many resent EU migration. A couple of family friends have gone to set up small businesses in France. Another has moved to retire there. I don't think that gives a warm feeling to those working at or around minimum wage, competing with migrants who may be both better qualified and more willing to work for a lower wage. What I am trying to express is that what may be good for the UK as a whole isn't necessarily good for everyone and they will be voting too.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| stanton wrote: |
| Just think back 30 years , How many Muslims/Mosques/Burquas did you see in your City & Towns??? |
Quite a lot actually. Remember the UK has had substantial immigration from the Indian subcontinent.
It would not be true to say I've Muslim friends but I've worked with many and they have been people like any other and generally more hard working than most. A remarkable number have enjoyed a pint after work.
Not so far from me and built in 1889.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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dogwatch, The graphic that Haggis_Trap posted doesn't indicate how many of the brits abroad are working, I would guess that a fair number of those in Spain are not.
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Chalet Company's. after a Brexit
Incorporated in the Country they conduct business.
Employees , Local & rest of EU so more than likely the cheapest they can find from the EU (Romania,Poland)
Paid Salary, Normal work conditions,hours, Sick Pay, Pension, insured.
Chalet/Tourist Companys should be preparing a Plan B for this eventuality. |
Some possibly are already. Heard word going round that one TO is apparently pulling their chalet program from Austria (unsure about other countries) and just focussing on hotels, and for another chalet operator, this is the last season.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Mike-H wrote: |
| @uktrailmonster, Are you suggesting that people who believe in God are not normal. Blasphemy!!! |
I'm suggesting they are deluded.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Sitter wrote: |
| stanton wrote: |
Chalet Company's. after a Brexit
Incorporated in the Country they conduct business.
Employees , Local & rest of EU so more than likely the cheapest they can find from the EU (Romania,Poland)
Paid Salary, Normal work conditions,hours, Sick Pay, Pension, insured.
Chalet/Tourist Companys should be preparing a Plan B for this eventuality. |
Some possibly are already. Heard word going round that one TO is apparently pulling their chalet program from Austria (unsure about other countries) and just focussing on hotels, and for another chalet operator, this is the last season. |
I guess if the Landlords see the writing on the wall for cheap British Chalets they would probably tear down there Chalets & build Hotels for the new generation of Tourists.. chinese, indians etc.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Haha, and he's definitive?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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And Kate Hoey would say (and she did, cos I heard her), 'Anyone who holds Labour Party values dear cannot possibly vote to stay in'. Say what you see.
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Taken from the Socialist Worker's Party website. "We will argue for a left leave position, produce materials and engage in debates where we can (see below for more details). Our opposition to the EU has nothing in common with the arguments from the British nationalists and racists in the Tory right"
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@rjs, a 2014 FT report quoted official estimates of 1.8M Brits in rest of EU, 2.34M other EU citizens in the UK and 400k of the 1.8M claiming the UK state pension.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| dogwatch wrote: |
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| I think immigration from the EU has been very positive for the UK. |
I'm sure it has been positive for the UK as a whole. Positive for those competing for certain kinds of jobs, housing and services, that's not so clear and those people have votes too. |
^ equal number of UK citizens have gone the other way to live in Europe.
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Any source for that?
The ones I have found all suggest a net inflow from the EU to the UK (about 180,000 in year to June 2015).
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/november-2015/stb-msqr-november-2015.html |
roughly 2.3 million EU citizens live in the UK.
this is (approx) equivalent to UK citizens living in EU - see plot above.
interestingly there are more brits living abroad across the EU than any other nationality.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
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| laundryman wrote: |
| I think immigration from the EU has been very positive for the UK. |
I'm sure it has been positive for the UK as a whole. Positive for those competing for certain kinds of jobs, housing and services, that's not so clear and those people have votes too. |
^ equal number of UK citizens have gone the other way to live in Europe.
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Any source for that?
The ones I have found all suggest a net inflow from the EU to the UK (about 180,000 in year to June 2015).
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/november-2015/stb-msqr-november-2015.html |
roughly 2.3 million EU citizens live in the UK.
this is (approx) equivalent to UK citizens living in EU - see plot above.
interestingly there are more brits living abroad across the EU than any other nationality.
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What's the net migration figure between the UK and EU? I'll tell you. Last year it was 180,000. Is that sustainable?
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Chalet Company's. after a Brexit
Incorporated in the Country they conduct business.
Employees , Local & rest of EU so more than likely the cheapest they can find from the EU (Romania,Poland)
Paid Salary, Normal work conditions,hours, Sick Pay, Pension, insured.
Chalet/Tourist Companys should be preparing a Plan B for this eventuality. |
Some possibly are already. Heard word going round that one TO is apparently pulling their chalet program from Austria (unsure about other countries) and just focussing on hotels, and for another chalet operator, this is the last season. |
I guess if the Landlords see the writing on the wall for cheap British Chalets they would probably tear down there Chalets & build Hotels for the new generation of Tourists.. chinese, indians etc. |
Getting a little ahead of yourself there. I know some will keep as is, but run it themselves as a pension/B & B (indeed one or two I know are already saying this is what they'll do regardless), but at least in St Anton, the Dutch and Scandinavian chalet/holiday companies have taken a few of the chalets that UK TO's used to run.
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List of countries above by area:-
Germany-137,846 sq miles
Spain-194,897 sq miles
U.K-94,525 sq miles
France-2111,209 sq miles
Italy-116,305 sq miles
Belgium-11,780 sq miles
Austria-32,378 sq miles
Sweden-173,732 sq miles
Netherlands-16,033 sq miles
Ireland-27,135 sq miles
Source: We're full .com
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Gerry wrote: |
What's the net migration figure between the UK and EU? I'll tell you. Last year it was 180,000. Is that sustainable? |
YES - the EU migration figure into UK is very sustainable
Indeed a valid case can be made that generally skilled EU labour coming into UK has helped grow our economy.
So the net migration figure is actually a bonus.
If the UK really wishes to reduce immigration (which is debatable) I would start first looking at non EU nationals ?
Of course we already have full control over this (generally from commonwealth nations).
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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180,000 net per year and rising is not sustainable.
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^ actually it is the exact opposite.
"But behind the unfounded headlines about “EU migrants grabbing British jobs” lies a basic truth: that mass European migration is actually fuelling the relative growth of the UK economy that in turn is making Britain “the jobs factory of Europe” that brings them here."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/18/mass-eu-migration-into-britain-is-actually-good-news-for-uk-economy
Now here is the real truth. Mainstream media (like the Daily Mail) owned by rich eight wing billionaires (like Murdoch / Lord Rothermere) have scared stupid people (like Gerry) into believing that "Johnny Foreigner" is stealing their jobs.
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You know it makes sense.
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^ actually it is the exact opposite.
"But behind the unfounded headlines about “EU migrants grabbing British jobs” lies a basic truth: that mass European migration is actually fuelling the relative growth of the UK economy that in turn is making Britain “the jobs factory of Europe” that brings them here."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/18/mass-eu-migration-into-britain-is-actually-good-news-for-uk-economy
Now here is the real truth. Mainstream media (like the Daily Mail) owned by rich eight wing billionaires (like Murdoch / Lord Rothermere) have scared stupid people (like Gerry) into believing that "Johnny Foreigner" is stealing their jobs. |
I don't actually bother with the mainstream media, except for BBC radio 4. Of course the government disagrees with you regarding net migration, "deeply disappointing" was the way they described the figures in August of last year.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
^ actually it is the exact opposite.
"But behind the unfounded headlines about “EU migrants grabbing British jobs” lies a basic truth: that mass European migration is actually fuelling the relative growth of the UK economy that in turn is making Britain “the jobs factory of Europe” that brings them here."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/18/mass-eu-migration-into-britain-is-actually-good-news-for-uk-economy
Now here is the real truth. Mainstream media (like the Daily Mail) owned by rich eight wing billionaires (like Murdoch / Lord Rothermere) have scared stupid people (like Gerry) into believing that "Johnny Foreigner" is stealing their jobs. |
Just fyi I have to spend a lot of time working in Glasgow all the way from sunny Southampton. Why? because the immigrants have decimated the building industry, cheap half skilled labour. So I go to Glasgow and take your money and put your fellow jocks out of work, I also earn more money than them as highly skilled is sought after up there.
You are talking absolute tripe, although in all fairness none of the jocks I told about what was going in southern England believed me. But like I said to them "do you honestly think I'd travel to Glasgow if I didn't have to".
Southampton 250,000 population had an extra 36,000 in the first 6 months they could get in, 60,000 in 12 months. The roads are gridlocked everywhere, British citizens moving down from the north with kids couldn't get them into schools within 20 miles. Whole areas incl' Shirlski have been taken over, kids being battered by drunken Poles in parks at night. My 14 yr old nephew threatened and chased by grown men. Wages cut in half. More people on the dss. No new skilled kids coming through due to cheap foreign labour. If you walk into a Polish shop they refuse to serve you and say no English.
There's the truth from someone who's watched it happen. You lot in Scotland haven't seen it yet, oh but us sassenachs are coming to steal your jobs.
I actually wish you'd got independence as that witch that wears the trousers up there and the rest of the hard done by will sway the vote to in. England on her own would vote out.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Chalet Company's. after a Brexit...
Employees , Local & rest of EU so more than likely the cheapest they can find from the EU (Romania,Poland)
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Minimum wage is minimum wage - we've had British, Irish and Slovakian helpers (don't worry Capta1n, no Polish) and the (French) contract is the same for all of them.
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| that witch that wears the trousers |
at least she's not in a burqa, hey?
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I was hoping for respite from the EU referendum on snowHeads. UK media has saturation coverage already and it is still 4 months until the vote. Oh well, if we're going to have a Brexit thread on here, I might as well start a Brinforgood thread too.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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^ actually it is the exact opposite.
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So you believe the ONS are lying then.
Why?
Where do you get figures showing "the opposite"?
Sorry, but it is simple FACT that 180,000 more people immigrated from the EU to the UK last year than emigrated from the UK to the EU.
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| CAPTA1N P wrote: |
| England on her own would vote out. |
NOt accoprding to the polls.
It is closer in England than in Wales, Scotland or NI, but even in ENgland, the ones I have seen are slightly in favour of staying in.
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@CAPTA1N P, You quote only one side of the argument, the other being that parts of Southampton have been regenerated by the Poles. The roads in Southampton have been clogged for over 20 years that's not the fault of the immigrants. Extra school places have been required but NOT in the Polish areas and that's a result of the general increase in population. Most of the Poles are young and don't put a strain on the health service. A local employer needed a large number of workers in 2014 and none of the locals applied via the job centre but once this was known in the Polish community it was oversubscribed, so they are not stealing the jobs of locals.
There is no need to make immigration the major issue for in/out. We need to look at the whole economics of being in or out. Our big companies seem generally to want out since that will enable them to drop many of the EU labour protection laws. VAT will no longer be subject to EU constraints. Buying from the EU will no longer be subject to local VAT, at source, but customs import duty and VAT will apply to the import. The EHIC agreement will cease to be valid so the cost of travel insurance will go up to cover the cost of medical cover. We will be able to buy duty free goods again but there will be limits on the amount you can bring in from the EU just like there is for the rest of the world. Can we negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the world? I hope so but there is no guarantee. We may be a big economy but we are a tiny market for many of the goods. The US will continue to negotiate with the EU but we are small fry in consumer goods terms. Our trade deficit is already too big so we will have to import from the rest of the world so why would they make it easy for us?
Does the EU need reform, almost certainly. Do we want to be part of the united states of Europe, probably not. If we leave will we be able to get back in, Probably not. Can we help to reform it from outside, NO.
Leaving the EU might be a benefit to 'big business' and the City of London but will that help the rest of us? Trickle down economics has never worked in the past so no reason to think it will now.
We need more real information about the impact on us, the electorate, rather than the impact on the elite, if we are to make an informed decision. Will we get it from the likes of Cameron, Farage and Boris I doubt it since all they are interested in is their ego and their life after politics. Personally I think stay is the best option at least then we still have the option to leave if things get worse.
I'll get my tin hat now!
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| alex_heney wrote: |
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^ actually it is the exact opposite.
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So you believe the ONS are lying then.
Why?
Where do you get figures showing "the opposite"?
Sorry, but it is simple FACT that 180,000 more people immigrated from the EU to the UK last year than emigrated from the UK to the EU. |
I think he believes the figure (although you never can tell with that clown), it's just he thinks such an influx on a yearly basic is sustainable. We should club together and buy him a red nose and some makeup.
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Leaving the EU might be a benefit to 'big business' and the City of London |
Big business don't think so.
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So you believe the ONS are lying then.
Why?
Where do you get figures showing "the opposite"?
Sorry, but it is simple FACT that 180,000 more people immigrated from the EU to the UK last year than emigrated from the UK to the EU. |
I think he believes the figure (although you never can tell with that clown), it's just he thinks such an influx on a yearly basic is sustainable. We should club together and buy him a red nose and some makeup. |
It is certainly sustainable for longer than it is likely to happen.
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| CAPTA1N P wrote: |
Just fyi I have to spend a lot of time working in Glasgow all the way from sunny Southampton. Why? because the immigrants have decimated the building industry, cheap half skilled labour. So I go to Glasgow and take your money and put your fellow jocks out of work, I also earn more money than them as highly skilled is sought after up there.
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I live 45 minutes from Southampton. You struggle here to find a skilled builder available to do anything and the ones you can find are coining it. If you think you have to schlepp all the way to Glasgow to find work you are failing to look around your own back yard.
As for the roads in Southampton, they have been jammed for the 30 years I've known it.
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