 Poster: A snowHead
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Elizabeth B, When I started a discussion about a chocolate bar with a hazlenut in every bite ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Paul Mason, A quality confectionary indeed.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I did a nice face plant last week and bashed my forehead quite hard onto some solid piste....... i like my helmet very much.
My ability to ski on the otherhand 
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You'll be loving it a bit less if you take out one of my kids from behind. So yes, you're right. A slower skier does present a greater threat to those that think like you. But not for the reasons you have in mind. |
Cant you read? 15 years no accidents. Lovin the e-violence threats, good job ill have my helmet on on-piste to protect from piste thugs and baton brandishing maniacs
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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kruked, A lot of fathers will be thinking like me if they see some reckless idiot take out a kid of theirs from behind. I've seen it happen to my youngest, and the cocky idiot got a piece of my mind. But to be frank I would have liked to have put him in plaster for the rest of his holiday.
So you've been lucky. But with an attitude like that, your luck won't last for ever.
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kruked, PG is right, you need to leave a bigger margin.
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To be honest I agree with your preservation of kids and if it happened to me or my party there would be more than words.
The point im trying to put across is the fact that i have seen the blood wagon attending to more nasty injuries on winding trails down from the mountain than on any gnarly stuff. The trail at Soll being the worst example of this. My perspective is to get out of there as soon as practical and remove myself from the danger zone, im not talking about full on schuss which seems to have being decided i am doing. Every situation needs assessing on its dangers and appropriate action taking, blanket rules of assuming that the person behind will avoid you will not suffice, this is not wreckless attitude, this is fact
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kruked, There is always a first time. I am sure you would feel as bad as anyone if you did. Kids are a very emotive subject and I am in the PG, camp on this one.
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| kruked, PG is right, you need to leave a bigger margin. |
Love the way you can see me ski from a few words
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I've worn a helmet for 2 seasons now. Following a fall towards the end of a run when I was skiing slowly. I skidded on ice, fell face forward and my skis slammed into the back of my head. It isn't until you frighten yourself that you realise how vulnerable you are in just a bobble hat.
Have just returned last weekend from Les Arcs. A guy in our group took a bad front fall at the top of the red run, Lac, and cut his forehead. Also last week, I was hit hard from behind by a snowboarder down by 1950. He sent me flying forward and I hit the side of my head on the piste, not hard, but the helmet cushioned any blow. What I am left with is an 8" bruise down the back of my leg where his board hit me. Grrrrrrrr. 
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| Beverley wrote: |
I've worn a helmet for 2 seasons now. Following a fall towards the end of a run when I was skiing slowly. I skidded on ice, fell face forward and my skis slammed into the back of my head. It isn't until you frighten yourself that you realise how vulnerable you are in just a bobble hat.
Have just returned last weekend from Les Arcs. A guy in our group took a bad front fall at the top of the red run, Lac, and cut his forehead. Also last week, I was hit hard from behind by a snowboarder down by 1950. He sent me flying forward and I hit the side of my head on the piste, not hard, but the helmet cushioned any blow. What I am left with is an 8" bruise down the back of my leg where his board hit me. Grrrrrrrr. |
To me this is as bigger factor as falling yourself. Been hit has nothing to do with how good you are, if your not looking the right way at the right time BANG.
Hope the leg gets better soon.
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My wife insisted I got a helmet this year
I have just come back from a 3 day trip with 8 of us, and out of the 8,
2 of us had helmets (one a skier and me a boarder). Despite
a few digs from the other 6 at the start of the trip, I would be
suprised if at least 2 didn't buy a helmet next time round
I am glad I had mine on, having had a headfirst crash into an ice bank
on my last run.
Like many things, rightly or wrongly, people tend to follow the majority,
most people wouldn't dream going without a lid on a motorbike in the
uk even if it wasn't illegal. But send them on holiday to thailand
and they might not bother, simply because everyone else isn't.
The actual risk is the same (higher probably) but the perceived risk is lower
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dented my helmet today - glad it wasn't my head! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Speed and crowded slopes aren't necessarily the issue.
I have knocked myself out cold for several minutes in Les Arcs on a very gentle blue run, not even travelling at walking pace - just starting to slide off with no-one for miles around - apparently I just caught an edge and slowly toppled backwards in a comedy fashion - but my head landed on the back of my skis!!!
I also work in a hospital with a big head injury unit - and it's not uncommon to see people who've been referred for follow up following ski injuries abroad....
Guess whether I've bought a helmet....
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Having espoused pole clicking from a safety and courtesy point of view, and been generally castigated for it, I experimented with not doing it in Kitzbuhel the week before last. This extensive comparitive test shows conclusively that it doesn't make any difference to safety whether you click or not. I passed the people whom I passed in exactly the same way with exactly the same total lack of incident as when I click, and had exactly the same reaction from them; none at all. Whether or not those I passed felt affronted that I hadn't clicked to tell them of my presence or pleased that I hadn't been such an arrogant sod as to imagine that they cared, I can't say, as I decided against handing out questionaires.
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Poster: A snowHead
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dunno if this is on or off topic, but....
The (French) instructor in our (12 person!) (ESF) group at Alpe D'huez half term, told the whole group that if he was leading, and intended to slow down he would click his poles, and the person behind should do the same to 'pass it back along the line'. He then made us all practice doing it.
Until then I had always thought it was the skiing equivalent of ringing a bell on a bicycle (reminds me of the knock knock, isobel joke). I've never done it, because I've never overtaken anyone close enough to feel the need to 'warn them' but maybe I'm just slow 
So was our instructor right? is clicking the poles really a sign for 'I'm slowing down' to those who are following or a (intended to be polite) message of 'I'm coming up behind you' when passing? For what it worth I agree with those who are saying 'you shoudn't shout or click, you should just pass safely leaving enough room for unexpected turns by the person you are passing, if you can't do that, don't pass'.
(I've never had to 'protect' our kids with outstretched poles, as keeping up with them was challenge enough!) 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Confession time:
On my recent trip to La Plagne I did something that I not done in years since I was a beginner I hit another skier, me hangs head in shame as I consider myself to be an aware skier and don’t put people in danger.
I was enjoying myself down an icy run when it went a bit steep with a few beginners/ strugglers on the hard packed slope.
An old French guy was in front of me who turned as I did not expect into my path. I took all my speed off but just clipped his skis with a minor side slide into him at a slow speed.
If the slope was not so icy I’m sure he would have kept on his feet or I would have stopped quicker, but the conditions were are they were and he lost his edge and went over. I of course stopped to help him up and to apologise in my very broken French (this is when I learnt he was French and from the tone was using some very choice words).
The point been that clicking or not would have not changed anything. I should have read the conditions better and realised that I was entering a beginners area where the conditions would make them more nervous and do unexpected things and then took appropriate action myself (slowing down and giving other skiers more room) .
It was a good wake up call as no one was hurt except my pride. I learn from my mistakes.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Nick_C, these things are bound to happen to us all sooner or later. My thing about clicking was specifically on roads, not on the piste in general, to tell someone in front of you who you intend to overtake of your presence (not to tell them to get out of the way or anything like that).
I thought about the clicking thing a bit in Kitzbuhel the other week (while conducting my scientifically valid test, see above), and I think it must be just me. I don't like someone unexpectedly entering my peripheral vision (or anything else) from behind closer than about 3m, max 2m, to either side of me. For that reason, I like to hear a click before being overtaken on a road. My daughter has speeded up a lot recently and at one point on our first day was matching me down a steep but straightforward black, and I found catching a glimpse of her when I turned very unnerving (after that, she and her brother gave up waiting for the old lady and me at all). I think my paranoia may come from an exaggerated fear of crashing into someone; I'm a heavy chap, and it has always worried me what would happen if I hit someone, particularly someone small, at speed.
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Whose right of way is it if two skiers or snowboarders are matching each other turn for turn down a slope?
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Kramer, the heaviest one
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That'll be me then.
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Kramer - I'd guess that unless they both started at exactly the same time, one would have come "from behind" and thus the one who was origionally in front has right of way.
regards,
greg
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Kramer, If you're on the heelside of the boarder he has right of way because he is unable to see you.
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Masque, I was just going to get around to that, as an ex-boarder it makes a lot of sense to me.
gregh, sometimes I've overtaken someone on the piste, giving them loads of space, as I've got equal with them, they've suddenly increased their speed, sometimes to the detriment of their control, to match my speed and turns, which doesn't seem safe. It would seem to me that if you're being overtaken by someone then you should give way to let them past as safely as possible.
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AxsMan, The poor trucker's limited mechanically to 56mph, hence his low speed overtaking
The other should give way imho
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| Masque wrote: |
| Kramer, If you're on the heelside of the boarder he has right of way because he is unable to see you. |
at junctions etc if im on the right hand side n want to go over to the left ill stick my arm out to indicate im going over that way.. ive saved a couple of near misses doing that
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| CANV CANVINGTON wrote: |
| Masque wrote: |
| Kramer, If you're on the heelside of the boarder he has right of way because he is unable to see you. |
at junctions etc if im on the right hand side n want to go over to the left ill stick my arm out to indicate im going over that way.. ive saved a couple of near misses doing that |
I think this is a good point, there is too much assuming on the slopes.
Why not let others know when your moving across the piste?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Nick_C, these lots of little things you can do when u just getting from A to B .. a thumbs up at crossroads when someone makes an obvious gap for you to slot through..
all the little things add up to everyone having a bit of a better time..
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FAQ
what's this thing with truck drivers, where just as I'm about to get past a queue of them, the back one pulls out and takes the next half hour to overtake the one in front, travelling 1mph faster than he is 
Why do they bother or is it just some truckers' 'lets f**k with the car drivers' thing?
