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Most new model 2017 skis will be less than 85mm underfoot...

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Interesting, and perhaps a sign that for piste skis wide skis really are a hindrance and not a help??

http://www.realskiers.com/NEWSLETTERS/sanity.html
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Finally........... The beyond insane stupidity might be waning.
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Doesn't really mean anything other than that they haven't refreshed skinny ends of the range as much recently. Surely everyone knows if you are skiing piste exclusively you don't need a 90mm + ski.

Realskiers are a bit up their own back bottoms with their own belief in their technical skills.
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything other than that they haven't refreshed skinny ends of the range as much recently. Surely everyone knows if you are skiing piste exclusively you don't need a 90mm + ski. .


I think that's the issue though isn't it? Loads of piste punters on 90mm+ straightlining anything with very little skill!!
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My daily driver is a 90mm Nordida Steadfast - but I've taken to hanging around the weekends with the local race club, where everyone, but everyone looks in askance at my "wide" skis!!! I think they're great in that i can happily dive into anything with them (except crust, i hate crust, bloody knee killer), but I do agree that there are lots of folks who ski on way wider ski's than are warranted by the prevailing circumstances for skiing most european seasons, where for 85% of the skiing population (randomly made up statistic), 90% (another randomly made up statistic) of their time will be spent on piste. Great marketing by the ski companies over the last few years has everyone believing they will be dropping into gnarly pow, hucking cliffs etc etc, when the reality for anyone skiing say PdS around christmas was dodging decaying cowpats on a base of ice, muck and rocks. For which 110mm is overkill. But I digress.
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it all depends on conditions.

I spent the week before last on 77mm and was off piste about 80% of the time. The snow was very variable though.

On last years trips I was mostly on 115mm even on days that were meant to be on piste; but the snow was soft nearly everywhere so it wasn't an issue.
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I was idly watching some of the skiers in a local resort today. Not only has Wide entirely passed them by but even the carving ski revolution hasn't arrived yet. Someone had some nice Dynamix VR27s though.
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Not in this house they won't be...........
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95% of all the skis I get in for service are sub 80mm waist rail binding mounted piste skis.

95% of all the skis I sell are 88mm+ flat mounted skis, mostly with either framed/tech bindings & skins, and will be part of a multi ski quiver.
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Someone had some nice Dynamix VR27s though.


I'll see your VR27s and raise you a pair of (bizarrely very short) Rossi 4S. Spotted today in the mighty Courchevel... Happy
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@offpisteskiing, Are you sure they were not the replica Rossi 4S skis that were made a few years ago, basically a modern carver ski with 4S graphics.

There are plenty of pairs of straight skis in the Espace Diamant, often used with rear entry boots. I have seen people wearing their '92 Olympics helper uniform too.
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offpisteskiing wrote:
davidof wrote:
Someone had some nice Dynamix VR27s though.


I'll see your VR27s and raise you a pair of (bizarrely very short) Rossi 4S. Spotted today in the mighty Courchevel... Happy


How about these?

http://www.leboncoin.fr/sports_hobbies/280001352.htm

for sale at Berck sur Mer! Of all places.

As the magazines said back in the day "A ski so far ahead of its time you'll still be using them in 2016!". How right they were.
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Ah, the good old 4S, great ski in its day!
Preferred the 4G myself.....
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@rjs, most definitely the real deal.

Used to have a pair of 4S mounted with 747 Equipes... ah, those were the days etc etc
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offpisteskiing wrote:
@rjs, most definitely the real deal.

Used to have a pair of 4S mounted with 747 Equipes... ah, those were the days etc etc


If you want some 747 equippes I'm about to put a pair on leconboin. The volvo of ski bindings.
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I saw a guy last week on 203cm Volkl P9SL and Salomon rear entry equipes in black with yellow and orange highlights.
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I still have my Salomon 8000e 3s from 1991, waxed and ready to go. I might have to take them out next week if the snow isn't great!
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Interesting, and perhaps a sign that for piste skis wide skis really are a hindrance and not a help??


surely simply a reflection that most skiers don't ski off piste?
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PowderAdict wrote:
I saw a guy last week on 203cm Volkl P9SL and Salomon rear entry equipes in black with yellow and orange highlights.
Was he ripping it?
P9SL was still handmade back in the day. Great ski. I had a pair of those and a pair of P9RS. Probably wouldn't be able to ski them any more. Too much work.
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Interesting, and perhaps a sign that for piste skis wide skis really are a hindrance and not a help??


surely simply a reflection that most skiers don't ski off piste?
Not sure this is true. I've recently changed from Völkl Mantras at 90mm to RTM at 82mm. I can detect no difference in their off piste performance. This may be due to the fact that the RTMs are ( a bit ) rockered, but I suspect that in truth the shovel width plays a bigger role in making the ski perform in typical Euro pow than the width under foot.
Just my experience...
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Steilhang wrote:
jedster wrote:
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Interesting, and perhaps a sign that for piste skis wide skis really are a hindrance and not a help??


surely simply a reflection that most skiers don't ski off piste?
Not sure this is true. I've recently changed from Völkl Mantras at 90mm to RTM at 82mm. I can detect no difference in their off piste performance. This may be due to the fact that the RTMs are ( a bit ) rockered, but I suspect that in truth the shovel width plays a bigger role in making the ski perform in typical Euro pow than the width under foot.
Just my experience...


I think this again depends on the general width again though - personally I really don't like super wide tips unless the snow is properly untracked. When skiing deep chop narrower tips slice through while fat tips tend to slam into the chunks of snow and tracks and buck you forward, which is why most fat skis have pretty heavily tapered tips.

Personally I think it'd be great if all skis were under 85mm again. I could just hoard my fatties, while the masses would stop trying to ski my powder NehNeh Or at least ski it slower so more stays untracked for me for longer Laughing
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but I suspect that in truth the shovel width plays a bigger role in making the ski perform in typical Euro pow than the width under foot.


I don't think big shovel to waist sidecut differences are ideal for off piste skis - they are a compromise to give float while retaining on-piste carving performance. Big sidecuts tend to make the skis more "hooky" and less quick to release at the end of a turn in deep snow. I'm not suggesting you cant ski powder on them just that it is a design compromise.
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jedster wrote:
....I don't think big shovel to waist sidecut differences are ideal for off piste skis - they are a compromise to give float while retaining on-piste carving performance. Big sidecuts tend to make the skis more "hooky" and less quick to release at the end of a turn in deep snow. I'm not suggesting you cant ski powder on them just that it is a design compromise.

+1. Tapered low profile rockered tips with longer sidecuts & min/zero camber is were it's at. Flat'ish tail for running length when skinning or just add tail rocker if you want 'em a bit looser/more playful etc. All very forgiving to ski. Pretty much all the decent makers have skis of this design in their line up.
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I rented a very nice 72 Blizzard ski a few weeks ago in Serfaus. So nice that I bought them afterwards. Short radius turns. That's what I rediscovered and will be doing for the coming years. And they behaved very nicely in mixed conditions including a powder morning on the piste. No rocker whatsoever. Schweet.
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"Personally I think it'd be great if all skis were under 85mm again. I could just hoard my fatties, while the masses would stop trying to ski my powder NehNeh Or at least ski it slower so more stays untracked for me for longer"

+1
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@lmu2002, the orange ones? <sigh> I tried some of those. They were awesome. I seriously contemplating buying them but I just couldn't carry them home along with everything else I had. Now I can't find a place selling them online. I'm sad... Crying or Very sad
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