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School Kids caught in avalanche on closed piste

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jedster wrote:
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3.5 Road deaths per 100K population, which is still bad, but not as dire as France.


2.8 / 100K for the UK in 2014
5.3 / 100K for France in 2014

So you are nearly twice as likely to die on French roads. Sweden, with its much vaunted "zero" road deaths programme has a 2.9 / 100K fatality rate. Holland, with its calm towns is the same as the UK.

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/pdf/vademecum_2015.pdf


East European drivers are the highest risk, no surprise to me, but do wonder if the typical age of the vehicle means death is more likely in a collision?
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I see that cyclists are disliked in Holland even more than here, with 25% of road deaths being cyclists, where in Greece where no one uses helmets is much safer.
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blahblahblah wrote:

East European drivers are the highest risk, no surprise to me, but do wonder if the typical age of the vehicle means death is more likely in a collision?


I'm sure you are right that there are lots of factors that are important. Maybe km driven is a better measure?
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@davidof, Yes, that would help, but probably polarise the results even more.

Value of car.
Accountability.
Condition of car.
Adhering to rules.
Road conditions.
Demographic of age.
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I see that cyclists are disliked in Holland even more than here, with 25% of road deaths being cyclists, where in Greece where no one uses helmets is much safer.


@blahblahblah,
I'm sure you are bright enough to realise that to make the death rate stats meaningful you would need to normalise for the number of cyclists on the road? Lots more cycling Netherlands as a share of population and share of journeys.
How do you get "disliked" from the stats?
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blahblahblah wrote:
I see that cyclists are disliked in Holland even more than here, with 25% of road deaths being cyclists, where in Greece where no one uses helmets is much safer.

Well they do an awful lot more cycling in ThE Nertherlands.
Here's a relevent article.
See Smeed's law and KSI per billion miles cycled.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24987425
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Well they do an awful lot more cycling in ThE Nertherlands.

Here's a relevent article.

thanks - my point entirely
"In 2012 there were 38 deaths per billion miles cycled in Britain - the fourth lowest year on record - but in the Netherlands the number was almost half that, at just 22. The Netherlands is well-known for spending more on cyclists."
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davidof wrote:
blahblahblah wrote:

East European drivers are the highest risk, no surprise to me, but do wonder if the typical age of the vehicle means death is more likely in a collision?


I'm sure you are right that there are lots of factors that are important. Maybe km driven is a better measure?


Yes I agree, and just maybe it could be applied to other forms of traffic.
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@Jedster. I agree with you. I didn't see your post as I was writing mine at the time.
Trying to tie all these stats together and make it relevant to skiing.
Does anyone know whether miles cycled miles skied is relevant?
You also read that most accidents happen near home, on short journeys.
I can see that probability of having an accident could increase with journey length, but the probability of having any accident even on a short journey may start off nearly as high.
Starting and stopping would seem to be relatively high risk points.
The "per billion miles" figure does work to show cycling density brings down the death and accident rate. This is because it slows the cars down. But on the Piste, the opposite is true. Accidents rise with density of participants.
Any experts care to comment?
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The run that avalanched was officially open for the first time this winter yesterday. I skied down it with a heavy heart.
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Claude B wrote:
The run that avalanched was officially open for the first time this winter yesterday. I skied down it with a heavy heart.


Sad
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Was pretty well skied all week before it opened too Shocked
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@kerb, it has been pretty much all winter since it became skiable and even before.
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Which one was it Claude? We have just left there.
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Bellecombes 5 Black . . .
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Must be bellecombes 6?
Bellecombes 5 is red on my map.
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blahblahblah wrote:
I see that cyclists are disliked in Holland even more than here, with 25% of road deaths being cyclists, where in Greece where no one uses helmets is much safer.


You're making no sense at all.
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@poppyb, thought that red was 4 . .? Either way its the black with the Bellecombes chairlift that runs right over it . . .
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The teacher in charge of the school group has been found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to two years in jail, half of it suspended.
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A further disturbing element of this very sad and tragic case.

The teacher convicted of manslaughter is reported as having clinical depression and was still being treated with medication at the time. He was quoted as saying that he felt ‘passive and a follower’ at the time he led the group down the closed black piste. Sad
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