The best way to run up high vertical is to use only steep high speed lifts, and to stick to groomed red and black runs. It won't be the best day skiing that you've ever had, though.
Exactly.
I didn't mean to sound snobby with that earlier comment of mine - it was a personal perspective.
Many people love piling on the mileage on groomed runs; ithere's nowt wrong with that and, if you're that kind of person, a high vertical day on a fast lift could actually be the best day skiing that you've ever had. I'm not that kind of person, though - unless I'm tired, I always prefer an ungroomed run to a groomer.
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If you want a quiet cable car, the one at Alba gives U what, 6 or 700m, never has a queue and the black run back to it is pleasant and always empty. Then it's all about learning to ski the run at the rhythm of the cable car
Be interesting to see if the new gondola out of the other side of Alba up to the Sella Ronda brings lots of new skiers to that area. I guess that's what they're hoping for. It could become very busy.
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@Gaza, I didn't literally mean that Skitracks doesn't count the ascent. What I meant is that it doesn't include the ascent figure in its headline 'ski vertical' figure. That's just the descent.
my record is 100000ft in 4 days, all completely off piste top to bottom....mind you that was in Canada with CMH and aBell helicopter...and my legs were dropping off at that point and there were still 3 (expensive!) days to go!!!
7000m/day is about average in the Alps for me now, depending on how many pistes have to be endured/crossed to reach the good stuff.
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It's never occurred to me to calculate vertical descent though I do tend to note vertical climbs, mostly walking rather than skiing. Skiing straight down a piste seems a bit pointless -I find turns give the most pleasure.
@cameronphillips2000, well considering that previously there were about four people there, yes I imagine it will be rather busy by comparison
There might be almost ten.
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@Gaza, I didn't literally mean that Skitracks doesn't count the ascent. What I meant is that it doesn't include the ascent figure in its headline 'ski vertical' figure. That's just the descent.
Now I'm confused.
When we are talking vertical are we only talking about decent or both ascent and decent? I thought it was the former, hence my comment about not being able to do much more than we did. I wasn't actually referring to your post @foxtrotzulu.
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As a slow blue and red run skier, I average about 3500 to 7000m/day fairly easy paced skiing with slow Norwegian lifts. Hoping that the lifts in Are are faster than some of those in Hemsedal.
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foxtrotzulu wrote:
@Gaza, I didn't literally mean that Skitracks doesn't count the ascent. What I meant is that it doesn't include the ascent figure in its headline 'ski vertical' figure. That's just the descent.
Now I'm confused.
When we are talking vertical are we only talking about decent or both ascent and decent? I thought it was the former, hence my comment about not being able to do much more than we did. I wasn't actually referring to your post @foxtrotzulu.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to my post. Just to recap..... The Generalist said that 5,000 was a bit pathetic and that we should be doing 12,000 or so. From subsequent posts it then became clear that he seemed to be counting both ascent and descent. I made the point that when skiing (as opposed to MTB) he should possibly halve his figures to just get the descent figure.
In answer to your question, when standing at the bar bragging about the amount of vertical (or 'vert' as I gather the septics say) we have skied we should just quote the descent.
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About 5000m up and about 5000m down. Though not at once... Up down up down. Not really explaining. Very well. To be honest I don't really know the accurate figures. Twas the West Highland way. Somewhere between 4400 and 5500 from what I could gather.
Was it definitely METRES? (And not feet..) In a day?
If so, that's pretty extreme for mere mortals.
As a general mountain biking rule of thumb, do 1000ft ascent over every 10 miles (eg 20 mile ride with 2000' of climbing) and you'll know you've done a ride. Once did a 250mile Transalp route from Bavaria to Lake Garda that averaged about 50 miles and 5500ft of ascent per day, with 7000ft+ on the toughest day. Some days involved 7 mile climbs of 2.5hrs. A fantastic experience but a very tough week.
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WHW is about 4000m of ascent (and the same descent) on the walkers version.
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About 5000m up and about 5000m down. Though not at once... Up down up down. Not really explaining. Very well. To be honest I don't really know the accurate figures. Twas the West Highland way. Somewhere between 4400 and 5500 from what I could gather.
West Highland Way total ascent 5300m in 96 miles. You did nearly 4 Marathons worth in a day?
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I think you'll find... that with a helicopter you can do quite a lot better than that. Mostly those heli records are about the size of your bank balance, it's not really a ski/ snowboard thing.
Some heli operators post "daily vertical" counts in their lodges, so macho people can compare... whatever it is they are comparing. Some operators shifted from that model to a more discrete approach (you can find out your vertical if you insist but no one cares). The result is a quite dramatic change in run structure, with for example "valley bottom" pickups no longer being used in favour of higher pickups at the bottom of the good stuff. => more ego results in worse riding.
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IME a fast cable car is quicker than a bubble if you catch it at the right time however, allowing for wait times, they tend to be fairly even on average.
I think a fast detachable chair with a singles line would be optimal - no faffing with skis on and off, steps, etc
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IME a fast cable car is quicker than a bubble if you catch it at the right time however, allowing for wait times, they tend to be fairly even on average.
I think a fast detachable chair with a singles line would be optimal - no faffing with skis on and off, steps, etc
Think you may be right. NOt sure how much quicker gondolas are than detatchable chairs. I often compare them going up. Cable cars are certainly the quickest -once going...
I reckon that myself and everyone I snowboard with average about 5k vertical a day. comparing the numbers it made me think about the who does most damage to the piste thread!
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I managed 14K in solden last year with lunch, in 5 hours, going reasonably quickly In Zermatt the year before best day was 12k in 6 hours. So I guess it depends on the arrangement of the lifts.
I reckon that myself and everyone I snowboard with average about 5k vertical a day. comparing the numbers it made me think about the who does most damage to the piste thread!
But 2 hours spent rolling up a cigarette in the middle of each piste obviously brings the "vertical" total down a bit?
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