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@Mountain Addiction,
They can separate X-Country & Alpine skiing because the routes don't cross.
I don't ski tour to make money and the lift companies know they couldn't extract the same amount of revenue from a ski tourer as they can with an alpine skier.
Yes there are people who buy all the ski touring gear and never get away from the piste (even though they could - unlike people with prolasped discs), these people most likely drive SUV's up and down the M1. ;o) .... but it's hitting the majority with a complete season ban based on actions of the minority.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| DB wrote: |
| Mountain Addiction wrote: |
| miranda wrote: |
Right, so you have your own valid reasons for using lifts + pistes and tourers have their equally valid reasons for using pistes… I really don't understand why you dug yourself into this "lazy man" argument  |
What... that makes no sense. I said about the technical and theory said of it, not about the fitness side of it.... you're actively choosing to avoid that.
I'm clicking through every time I ski, and i'm heading in the direction of travel the piste was designed for. If you came to me with the arguement that I was a Mountain Biker being stopped from riding down a path on a mountain that was specifically designed for hiking UP the mountain then perhaps that would be a comparative, but using the resort as it was designed is not comparative. |
If a mountainbike route runs over an existing walking route the walker has right of way. (I'm an alpine skier, ski tourer, mountainbiker and mountain walker with klettersteig / via ferrata) |
But i'm talking about if a mountain biker decided to use the walking path - not the MTB trail crossing the Hiking trail
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| DB wrote: |
@Mountain Addiction,
They can separate X-Country & Alpine skiing because the routes don't cross.
I don't ski tour to make money and the lift companies know they couldn't extract the same amount of revenue from a ski tourer as they can with an alpine skier.
Yes there are people who buy all the ski touring gear and never get away from the piste (even though they could - unlike people with prolasped discs), these people most likely drive SUV's up and down the M1. ;o) .... but it's hitting the majority with a complete season ban based on actions of the minority. |
Lols.
I know their routes don't cross, that's the point of the seperation - and it makes sense to seperate. If they did the same then no one would have to worry about tourers on the piste if they have their own designated areas.
They may not be able to extract the equivilant amount of cash from a tourer, but if they provided in bound terrain, or designated routes/areas then they could seperate the 2 easily enough and not add to the resorts work load any hugely significant amount plus it would give them an additional revenue stream, that's got to be a good thing for both parties right?
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| Mountain Addiction wrote: |
| DB wrote: |
| Mountain Addiction wrote: |
| miranda wrote: |
| Right, so you have your own valid reasons for using lifts + pistes and tourers have their equally valid reasons for using pistes… I really don't understand why you dug yourself into this "lazy man" argument |
What... that makes no sense. I said about the technical and theory said of it, not about the fitness side of it.... you're actively choosing to avoid that.
I'm clicking through every time I ski, and i'm heading in the direction of travel the piste was designed for. If you came to me with the arguement that I was a Mountain Biker being stopped from riding down a path on a mountain that was specifically designed for hiking UP the mountain then perhaps that would be a comparative, but using the resort as it was designed is not comparative. |
If a mountainbike route runs over an existing walking route the walker has right of way. (I'm an alpine skier, ski tourer, mountainbiker and mountain walker with klettersteig / via ferrata) |
But i'm talking about if a mountain biker decided to use the walking path - not the MTB trail crossing the Hiking trail |
????? The walking route was there first.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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So why are so many people arguing about it in the lake district...? because there seems to be a confussion on the subject.
I know that as a hiker I'd have right of way on a hiking path, BUT bikers are more and more coming on to hiking paths, even where they're not safe - narrow ridges (no where to move for either party) The hiking path is not designed for bikers, it was not built/maintained for bikers. And in SOME instances the pistes aren't cutting up touring paths - some pistes were built for downhill without intersecting or touring route. I get that it is annoying when they stop Tourers accessing the touring route that pre-existed the piste, but when a piste was built for skiing, or a hiking path built for hiking then surely to use it as a tourer OR an MTBer (depending on the season) how can there be an arguement that the tourer had use of that route first or right of access?
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| BUT bikers are more and more coming on to hiking paths, |
In Les Arcs more and more hikers are coming on the downhill MTB paths... now that is scary dangerous.
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| Arctic Roll wrote: |
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| BUT bikers are more and more coming on to hiking paths, |
In Les Arcs more and more hikers are coming on the downhill MTB paths... now that is scary dangerous. |
that is dangerous, and any proper hiker should know not to do that - I'd have no problem if they banned access in those areas where that is happening.
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Well. That escalated.
I hardly ever see ski tourers, and I really can't see an issue with them walking up the side of the piste. It's a shame this situation has come about, it's obviously upset a lot of people who love touring.
Hopefully they won't enforce the ban too strictly, and there will be more snow very soon so the tourers can find alternative routes.
FWIW @Mountain Addiction, you just seem to be arguing for the sake of it! Live and let live, it's Christmas!! xx
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I think they should ban hikers from any man-made or man-maintained paths… do the lazy feckers not get that the mountains are about something primal, something totally remote and uninhabited, something wild that answers to no one and cannot be tamed? 
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Actually, I put a little wink after my post as it was clearly a joke. However, I don't believe that there are no signposts anywhere on any of the routes you hike, no touch of humankind at all, and that they are all primal and wild and untamed etc. etc. You use mechanical lifts, groomed pistes and summer routes that have been 'tamed' by humankind… just like everyone else.
So anyway, Merry Christmas, enjoy your season, and rejoice in the fact that you don't have to deal with all those difficult and argumentative chalet clients you kept encountering 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| miranda wrote: |
Actually, I put a little wink after my post as it was clearly a joke. However, I don't believe that there are no signposts anywhere on any of the routes you hike, no touch of humankind at all, and that they are all primal and wild and untamed etc. etc. You use mechanical lifts, groomed pistes and summer routes that have been 'tamed' by humankind… just like everyone else.
So anyway, Merry Christmas, enjoy your season, and rejoice in the fact that you don't have to deal with all those difficult and argumentative chalet clients you kept encountering |
clearly you didn't get the irony of my post... but hey.
i'm not really that interested what you believe with regards to my hikes. i go because i go, it's between me and the mountain. no one else.
and some times no matter how much you try you just can't help what some people choose to think of you, no matter how much they choose to misunderstand you. oh well, c'est la vie, i'm big enough to cope with it... are you.
When I worked in the chalet I had to bite my lip and nod along with a smile on my face because people on holiday aren't interested in any one elses opinions, now as i'm tag suggests I'm free... FREE I TELL YOU mwahahhahahha... I'll say what i want 
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You know it makes sense.
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I do that anyway!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@flangesax,
That's why you end up with scarpa every year
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Poster: A snowHead
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Whilst they might be banned in Flachau there were a fair few heading up from Alpendorf today. Always to the side, never any problem (for me at least).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Very nice.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyone who can be arsed to walk up a mountain deserves a pint in my view. I'm always in awe of those trekking up in winter. Crack on.
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In Switzerland it is already illegal to tour up an open piste, although i have never seen it enforced or cared about
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| SkiRider wrote: |
| In Switzerland it is already illegal to tour up an open piste, although i have never seen it enforced or cared about |
Seeing more and more from Les Collons and Veysonnaz going up to Thyon and further, can't see the problem myself. Live and let live.
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@davidof, In Alpe d'Huez it is most likely to be groups of military, or sometimes police, skinning up the pistes so maybe we should get some white coats and some crappy old ex army skis  It always amuses me how the instructor in the lead looks to have state of the art gear and the young recruits following have the standard army boots and white skis that they then proceed to ski back down on in fairly haphazard fashion. Some of the groups set what looks to me like a cracking pace skinning up though and I guess you do not see them skiing down because they have continued off over the other side of the mountain somewhere. Did not see them there this Christmas so maybe that is because of the conditions.
Is there not some history in Chamrousse of a guy going ski touring after work and being run down, (and killed ?) a few years back by a piste basher ?
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| SkiRider wrote: |
| In Switzerland it is already illegal to tour up an open piste, although i have never seen it enforced or cared about |
I didn't realise that. Over the last fortnight in Zermatt there have been a load of tourers coming up the pistes - for the obvious reason that there were very few other places for them to climb. Mind you there have been even more coming up on the Cervinia side - I would swear that on one quiet morning there seemed to be more of them coming up than us going down. I am doing my first ever ski touring in Verbier at the end of Feb. As that is with a guide I assume he won't be taking us up the piste given what you say.
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| skitow wrote: |
@davidof, In Alpe d'Huez it is most likely to be groups of military, or sometimes police, skinning up the pistes so maybe we should get some white coats and some crappy old ex army skis It always amuses me how the instructor in the lead looks to have state of the art gear and the young recruits following have the standard army boots and white skis that they then proceed to ski back down on in fairly haphazard fashion. Some of the groups set what looks to me like a cracking pace skinning up though and I guess you do not see them skiing down because they have continued off over the other side of the mountain somewhere. Did not see them there this Christmas so maybe that is because of the conditions.
Is there not some history in Chamrousse of a guy going ski touring after work and being run down, (and killed ?) a few years back by a piste basher ? |
I believe you are right about the accident. There have been a few involving cables decapitating ski tourers after dark.
A friend who was in one of the mountain regiments, but who could actually ski, said the level of skiing was terrible as most of the recruits had never even seen snow before. That said, I did a race a few years back and all the top racers were military from a Lyon regiment.
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It is a similar situation to France with a patchwork of bye-laws banning or restricting ski tourers.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just looking at the events page on Flachau tourist info - they are happily selling ski-touring trips, e.g. a breakfast tour starting at 7am
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FAQ
even when there are landslides. you just gotta have enough nouse to know what to do when you reach it. Paths on tours like TMB are maintained, but I don't hike it nor like it.
