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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Absolutely tragic  RIP and condolences to his family
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Awful news.
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This is very tricky and indeed awful. From the Mail...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034732/British-boy-7-dies-family-skiing-holiday-getting-separated-parents-piste-falling-cliff-trying-them.html
It's tricky to say anything since the family must be devastated. And important not to jump prematurely to conclusions since things tend to be cloudy and surrounded by incorrect things at this early stage. But if the rescuers' statements are correct, it will lead to trouble. Leaving a seven year to ski down is imprudent. My kids have been climbing and skiing since they were two and a half. Skiing down alone at seven. Not good if it was the case.
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This is awful.
I would be cautious about jumping to conclusions here - the details may very well be wrong. Other stories in French papers describe the boy as becoming inadvertently separated from his family.
Has anyone seen information on which piste they started out on? Some of the stories mention being at 1500m which would mean they must have been on a run into one of the other Grand Massif towns (e.g. Les Carroz or Morillon) since Flaine is at around 1600m. But perhaps this is an error.
2500m would seem more likely - there are some steep drops close to the side of some of the red/black pistes down from the Grandes Platieres cable car.
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Heartbreaking 
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I don't think I've ever read anything more gut wrenching than the finding of his skis in the snow having been taken off and his little foot prints clearly looking for his parents, feel physically ill
Please don't turn this thread into one of judgmental comments, the family have suffered enough, lets all just take as much care as we can into the future
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The family may read this thread, I think restraint may be best policy rather than folks offering opinions. Tragic, RIP to the little one.
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Just tragic
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You know it makes sense.
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Absolutely horrible, I don't know how any family could ever get past losing a child especially like this, I know I couldn't. My heart goes out to them.
I am telling myself that because this is front page news even on the BBC now, it proves how rare this sort of thing must surely be and how unlucky the little boy was.
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Absolutely awful, Rest in Peace.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Condolences to his family and friends.
RIP little one
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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RIP tragic shame
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@sparklies, only up to a point. Of course the most dangerous things for children are cars: in th UK around 1500 fatalities and serious injuries in under 16s in 2011 down from 3700 in 2000 (20mph limits in urban areas appear to be working). But in 2002 we had two Dutch kids killed with their father, going over the cliff to tzuzier in bad visibility. And I have seen some nasty injuries (one very serious neck injury) when young skiers (7 ish) have been well in advance of their parents on slopes that they should not have been skiing. And that's only personal experience.
More stats-based: NSAA stats gives less than 10pc of fatalities in US skiing being under 10 - with around 42 deaths in the us per annum in total. This compares with around 7 youths playing football in the US. This actually makes skiing look reasonable, although the total hours children spend skiing in the U.S. is probably minute compared to the total hours youths spend playing football.
This news today sounds like a preventable accident, even if it was just accidental separation and it's horrific to think of an anxious, lonesome child walking into such danger.
Instructions to youngsters when with us: if lost, stop. Find a pole at the side if the piste and stay there. Hail a passing 'ski mummy' or pisteur and explain the situation. Do what the mum or pisteur says. And don't panic.
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It is funny what they think is news (this), and what they don't (the 5 people killed on the roads here each day).
I've lost friends in the mountains and on the roads. It never offended me that people talk about it .
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@valais2,
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Of course the most dangerous things for children are cars: in th UK around 1500 fatalities in under 16s in 2011 down from 3700 in 2000
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Not quite sure about those stats. According to HMG the total number of ALL car occupants to die in road accidents in 2011 was only 883. If you include all road users (pedestrains, cyclists etc.) then the total is still only 1900 for that year. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/annual-road-fatalities
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@philwig,
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It is funny what they think is news (this), and what they don't (the 5 people killed on the roads here each day).
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It's not that peculiar. The five killed on the roads may be statistically more significant but it is certailnly less 'interesting' and less newsworthy. 'News' is what people want to read, what interests them and what they will pay good money to read about in the papers. Look at it another way, a man getting eaten alive by his pet goldfish is obviously more newsworthy than two 95 year old people dying of heart attacks, don't you think?
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I can see how they work, of course. I guess I mean that it is a distorted view.. They would aim to show the truth, but instead distort reality. Now we'll have a huge reaction to this, but not to parents using their phone whilst driving...
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"Mr Ollagnon told the BBC: "It seems as if the boy did the last piste descent of the day on his own after asking his parents' permission. He appears to have become lost before falling over the edge of the cliff after taking his skis off."
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@Levi215, ... Shocking if it proves to be true ... I think there is likely to be a lot of discussion about this ... Although with due sensitivity to the family at the present time ...
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Just read this here and looked at the Daily mail link.
So sad and words can not have any meaning for the family at this horrible time.
What shocks me almost as much though is how people can rate down posts of condolence on the newspaper site. Do they have no humanity or morals of any description? The family do not need people like that, they need time to come to terms with every parents worst nightmare if ever they can come to terms with what has happened.
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Sounds as if it could have happened to anyone, thinking about it (not a parent) but i would let a youngster ski down a blue by themselves, get them to wait at the next junction. Would keep them insight incase something happened, a fall or whatever but that's the same as any kind of skiing. If the Mrs is infront of me i keep her in sight and if i'm ahead i'll wait at each junction so we continue skiing together... A devastating accident no doubt but it could well have happened to a 20 something from what is currently known....
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RIP. Just terrible.
I find it hard to believe that anyone would let their 7 year old ski down on their own. So I am assuming that it is mis-reported.
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You know it makes sense.
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Very sad news.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Absolutely tragic.
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Poster: A snowHead
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So sad, having just returned today from VT with my daughter this rips my heart out.
I am trying to think of a blue in Flaine that can be so dangerous, only the top of the DMC has cliffs does it not? or maybe to the right of tourmaline as you descend?
Heartbreaking.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sad news - only heard about it today on the BBC website - not heard anything here in Flaine
Makes you think about what you could have done - was probably on the slopes at the same time
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So so sad, completely heart wrenching and slightly terrifying as my little one starts skiing soon. You cant in any way blame the parents at all. How many kids like to play at the side of the piste / between trees. Accidents do happen and with the huge numbers of skiers out there, sadly at some point it will occur, no matter how safe we are.
Sleep well little man, keep skiing in your dreams. My thoughts are with his family.
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I am trying to think of a blue in Flaine that can be so dangerous, |
Possibly the cliffs above the Lac de Flaine. He probably could see the resort and maybe thought he could get down. It reminds me of an accident in les Houches where two very young kids were killed falling over cliffs, probably following the lights they could see in the valley below.
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Absolute worst nightmare on a ski hol; unbelievably sad whatever the circumstances
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| Corduroy wrote: |
I am trying to think of a blue in Flaine that can be so dangerous, |
Possibly the cliffs above the Lac de Flaine. He probably could see the resort and maybe thought he could get down. It reminds me of an accident in les Houches where two very young kids were killed falling over cliffs, probably following the lights they could see in the valley below. |
Poor little man, terrifying. Really cuts you to the core thinking about it.
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@PaulC1984, ...we were skiing a steep red, a nasty south facing ice sheet, very tricky, when a young boy of maybe 10 came barrelling past in a snowplough, and the inevitable happened just below us as, at extremely high speed, he pitched head first. He should never have been on the slope. We attended. His parents arrived a very long time later. They had let him get ahead, were not attending to his behaviour or adequately matching which slope he was doing to his ability. He was helicoptered off an hour later with a serious neck injury, which will probably be with him for the rest of his life.
We blamed the parents. No two ways about it.
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@valais2, understand what you are saying, and in this case I would totally agree with you. I think until facts are out though, we should have some respect for the boy and his family and not point fingers. Im very aware your not pointing fingers in this case btw
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@PaulC1984, thanks, appreciate your response - agree entirely re respect. I think the law in France may be quite tricky - a magistrate will most likely be appointed and will have a lot of discretionary powers.
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