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We’re in Les Arcs for Easter again this year (1600 this time), and I’m looking to sort out the lessons in the next couple of days. In the past couple of years the three youngish ones (9,11,14) have been in morning groups (Oxygene at La Plagne, then ESF at Peisey – against received wisdom, they all preferred ESF) while me and wife have shared 3 privates. Now while this has worked reasonably well, I’m wondering whether to shake it up, and put us all in private (and maybe 4 lessons this time, rather than 3, as we have the late 21.45 flight back so can ski Saturday as well). The costs aren't so much different.
However we’re all at different stages – 1*,2*,3* for the kids, my wife is a bit less confident/competent than me, but we can both do moderate Reds at different speeds – probably the closest is my wife and eldest.
So what would you do – would a Private lesson for the two youngest two work ok, or would No 2 feel he’s being held back on his parallels and need for speed while No 3 is starting to get to grips with stem turns – or would any decent instructor be able to keep them both happy and progressing ?
What about No 1 – she could do with a bit more self-belief in her abilities. Would a group of three with her parents (just what every 14 year old adolescent hopes for, I imagine!) help or hinder her, and would that have too much of a detriment to me - I sometimes feel I don’ t get everything out of the lessons that I could.
Or should I just maintain status quo ?
Opinions ? Would love to hear them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What you tend to get on a message forum is people's justification of their own personal decisions and people then hear what they want to hear but here goes. From an instructor and instructee perspective then it is no problem teaching people with similar levels as most holiday skiers all have the same fundamental issues. However if there is a significant difference in speed and ability it is difficult to work with people effectively and best for all concerned if go with group of similar level which is why instructors move people between groups. I also think kids and parents learn best separately as they tend to distract each other. Personally prefer a good quality group to privates regardless of money. More fun in a group and privates too intense. I would stick with what you had but it does comes down to personal preference and difficult to tell without seeing people ski and how they interact with each other.
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I would think kids prefer groups, especially if they are the same age, that and you can get rid of them for 4 hours or more
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I am an advanced skier. OH would be significantly below my level. However we have often taken private lessons together and I have found massive benefit for myself from. Because ultimately even for advanced skiers it is fundamental basics that often hold them back
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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My word, twice in a week I am mostly agreeing with @TTT, what is going on? I'd say a speed difference for an, errr, ambitious? child might be trickier to manage. At 11 I had no interest in the finer points of technique, I just wanted to go faster and (ideally) go over lots and lots of jumps. (I wish I still had that fearless attitude...)
And for adults, working on skills and techniques, where actual speed is possibly not an issue, a good instructor ought to be happy managing two not too dissimilar standards.
So sounds like your existing formula might still be appropriate.
(Disclosure: I am neither an instructor, a parent nor mad. I don't have lessons very often either).
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Thanks for the replies - just to be clear, I was thinking of the option of two sets of private lessons - one for the two youngest, and the other for the three. Completely agree that learning with the young kids would not work for either of us!
I too think they might prefer the group as well, I just worry that the 'follow me' approach may not work so well for my son (not the best listening skills, even worse than mine, so my wife tells me!). And my eldest daughter will be in an adult class as well this time, now she's 14.
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Completely agree that learning with the young kids would not work for either of us!
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In the first lesson I ever had (first real time on Skis) there were 7 adults and a six year old girl in a pink onesie - that did wonders for the group because once she had shot off down the slope (shallow green) with no fear, it took the heart out of anyone complaining it was too steep / difficult!!
From what I've seen it doesn't work for parents though as they spend all their time watching their child rather than thinking about their own skiing.
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IME private lessons work better than groups.
Even if the younger members are at differing levels a single instructor can accommodate them all.
Both of my children have had a single instructor despite being at different levels, worked really well, and they enjoy the focus more. IMO money well spent.
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It depends a lot on their relationship to each other and their attitude. I teach at a "family resort". So I get families often enough.
I've had brothers in privates or groups. The older one typically takes care of the little ones and even "help" to teach. Pretty interesting to observe. It's not a bad thing. The best learning is teaching after all. And I can use that to check if the older one actually was doing it the right way from how he "teach".
And just last week, I had a father and his two daughters, mixed in with 2 other kids. So the father was the only adult. Yes, he probably spend more time watching his kids than he should. But all in all, it worked out pretty well. I was teaching to the group of kids. I gave him special attention because he was the only adult. (kids are fearless, adults not so)
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