 Poster: A snowHead
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| miranda wrote: |
| ^ So Neil Maclean-Martin (physio and director of befitapps) raises a different problem as he does not talk about fat skis on hard snow but says that fat skis encourage people to go off piste and ski terrain they are not fit/good enough to ski, causing them to having slow falls so the bindings don't release, with the longer, wider skis creating even more of a problem for ligament and meniscus injuries than 'normal' skis... |
I know Neil, he is a very good physiotherapist and has an excellent clinic in Chx
Thank you for the link to the short article.
I agree that unfit people are more likely to injure themselves, including their knees, this is simply that they fatique quickly and lack strength.
Longer skis do increase the lever arm and are therefore can put more torque through the knee but i don't think that is the main issue. The increase in torque delivered by an extra few centimetres of ski isn't that much. A ski that is too long will however be more difficult to steer correctly so more likely to catch an edge/ run badly thus risking a knee injury. A ski that is too long may also put you in back seat which is very risky position for the ACL.
Fat skis do allow (IMO) people to get into deeper snow/offpiste when they might have in the past not been able to do so. As a result of this ease of access they may in some cases to be inexperienced and so expose themselves to numerous increased risks one of which will include knee injury. Knee injury is associated with deep snow.
The classic mechanism for ACL rupture in skiers is a slow fall backwards but i'm not sure i can see how fat skis contribute to that unless too long.
There are many variables that contribute to knee injury and i'm sure using equipment not matched to your ability is one of them.
So i agree with much of what he says but think that people who are on fat skis are exposing themselves to lots of other variables at the same time.
Jonathan Bell
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Thanks for the response JB - much appreciated. As you say, there just seem to be a lot of variables. Personally, I do not compare myself to my instructor - yes she can "rip powder" on whatever kit you give her… I also did an off piste route from the top of the hill to the village with her that required a walk uphill after the lift (which I found a bit of a slog though in my defence it was warm that day) and then it came up in conversation that the first time she'd done it she was 8…. and there wasn't even a lift in those days…  So from my point of view, I'll happily take advantage of whatever modern developments can offer to make my skiing life easier and more fun (and that includes having 'jack of all trades/master of none' skis *if* that worked out best for me) - but equally I'd sacrifice *some* fun for long term joint health if there was a case for it (though I will not be switching to mid chest height ski boards)… as far as I can make out, though, the message hasn't really changed… strengthen, stretch, think about your bindings, and don't do stuff beyond your ability, irrespective of whether you're on fat skis or not… and hope you don't get "unlucky"…
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| AthersT wrote: |
| AthersT wrote: |
| So, should I buy a pair of Salomon Q98 as the first ski that I have ever owned myself? Lol. |
I ask because I am someone who has skiied for over 10 years but have always rented - this has limited me to piste/very near to piste skiing. I have become interested in going off piste at some point especially when there are good conditions, yet would still like to be able cover plenty of KM's on piste with mates.
I cannot afford to have multiple pairs of skis, especially as I only tend to have 2 weeks max of skiing per season. It also would be annoying transporting multiple pairs of skis on every holiday, just to be prepared for all conditions/eventualities.
So my thought was to get All Mountain Ski's that perform well enough both on/off piste. Any recommendations for widths or maybe particular models?
Or will All Mountain skis potentially cause a strain injury? |
Did you ever get an answer to this?
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@kenskebabs, As they haven't posted since 2017, I wouldn't hold out much hope of an answer ...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@kenskebabs, I bought my pair of QST98 a year ago, they're pretty good I think, in my limited experience. They are fun on piste and are easily capable of laying down tramlines and great in the soft and fluffy stuff. They don't perform too well when the pistes are looking a bit blue or scoured and hard, but that might be more the skier than the skis.
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@kenskebabs, 11yr old thread bump. Probably best to just ask your own question.
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Absolutely mad this thread has been around for 10 years but gets bumped the very day I rent the widest skies I've ever gone for.
84mm.
Typical.
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How are they?
And where are you skiing?
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@slider24, 84mm is hardly "wide". Probs about average for a non-race piste ski.
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These days, bot are resurrecting everything from every discussion forums!
Many platforms have locked down inactive threads after some time. Snowheads is the few that doesn’t. So it’s a “target rich” one for bots.
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