 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The uphill skier was in the wrong as he should have avoided the lower skier. However, he was not skiing overly fast and it is fair to say events conspired against him. However the deliberate punch from the instructor is utterly unacceptable - I would have been tempted to wait for him at the bottom and call a gendarme.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yeah, what a complete tw@ shame on you Esf 
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@chocksaway, they didn't stop when they hit the first one, or the second. They were clearly skiing too fast for their ability to stop. The instructor starts shouting that he can't do that where he is and is ignored. Clearly he thinks the individual was too fast/out of control.
A gentle cuff that didn't even knock them off their skis is entirely reasonable in the circumstances, IMV.
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I think heat of the moment took over, the cuff probably wouldn't have gone down well in the Esf office, but the skier doing the vid was so in the wrong. We also don't know what carnage he left behind. I would probably have done something similar if he did that to my kids.
He made no attempt to stop or say sorry.
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Fully behind this instructor - if that is the only way of teaching that you should not put other in danger, let it be. I saw and applauded another ESF instructor in Tignes couple of years ago, when a complete nutcase nearly took a group of children of 4-6 years of age and felt down after just missing the kids ... the instructor took the skis of the 'racer' and through them down the montain (not on the piste, but on a steep side). It was the right call - to eliminate the danger. I was ready to assist that instructor if there would be a need, I was shaking myself just by observing of how this happened in a split second.
OK, the above video and situation is not that serious, but I'm sorry, the stupid person did not realise what he was doing wrong ... 
Stupid people make my blood boil ...
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wouldn't have gone down well in the Esf
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You think? I think the red collective would have closed ranks.
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| under a new name wrote: |
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wouldn't have gone down well in the Esf
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You think? I think the red collective would have closed ranks. |
I am sure they would.
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| chocksaway wrote: |
| However, he was not skiing overly fast and it is fair to say events conspired against him. However the deliberate punch from the instructor is utterly unacceptable |
Nope, entirely predictable and easily avoidable if he actually had any real control. Plus no attempt to stop or apparent concern for those he ran into. If he called the gendarmes I think they would take the view that the instructor was only trying to slow him down for his own safety before arresting the dick-head with the gopro.
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The instructor shouldn't have punched him, but the guy was wrong, if he was as good as he thought in his own head, he would have no problem skiing past those learners they were doing fairly predictable turns, so he could have weaved through them. The instructor was frustrated and rightly so, the punch was wrong but that skier needs to go back to ski school, and whether it is esf or any other school doesn't come into it.
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naughty ski instructor
in his defence, the skier seems far to stupid for a verbal explanation to help much
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| anarchicsaltire wrote: |
| chocksaway wrote: |
| However, he was not skiing overly fast and it is fair to say events conspired against him. However the deliberate punch from the instructor is utterly unacceptable |
Nope, entirely predictable and easily avoidable if he actually had any real control. Plus no attempt to stop or apparent concern for those he ran into. If he called the gendarmes I think they would take the view that the instructor was only trying to slow him down for his own safety before arresting the dick-head with the gopro. |
I agree , the guy who posted the video is a tool, and by posting it he still doesn't realise he is in the wrong. Folks like him like to brag about how experienced he is, yet he isn't , skiing for years doesn't make you a good skier, I would rather ski slowly and correctly than fast and like a lunatic. I think the instructor should have caught up with him and told him he was a tool.
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You've all missed the most important point.
The guy and his mates are on snow blades. Deserves all he gets!
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You know it makes sense.
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I think the instructor should have caught up with him and told him he was a tool.
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I think the instructor was still shouting at him and probably did discuss further but that was cut out from the clip.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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That's not a punch. The fella with the camera was a dangerous knob.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@clarky999, was just about to post the same, he clearly isn't in control
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@kitenski, signed up for the BASI boxing module yet? 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| clarky999 wrote: |
You've all missed the most important point.
The guy and his mates are on snow blades. Deserves all he gets! |
The guy with the camera is on skis you can see them as he gets tipped by the instructer. reading the comments at the bottom of the video he still thinks he was right.
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@biddpyat, pretty sure he is on blades, no poles and the "style" gives it away !!
@Arno, 
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well, he definitely has no poles (which probably saved someone from getting stabbed but is otherwise poor form) and they look short enough to be blades to me
I think he is way in the backseat which makes the blades look longer than they are
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he still thinks he was right.
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+1 and he thinks the instructor ski uphill towards him and punched him
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well, he definitely has no poles
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he left them in a beginner who "reversed into him" higher up the hill
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Look right at the end of the clip when he looks down at his feet (presumably hanging his head in shame), they are very short if they are skis.
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I can't believe in the video he says "that guy skied into me". Urgh no! You skied into him. Idiot
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@musher, You are right, god that gives him even less of an excuse, he went over some of those learners skis, when his was so short he should have been well able to avoid them. In that case I retract my comment on the instructor poking him, ( it wasn't a punch) he should have walloped him with a wet fish.
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probably something to do with being Welsh 
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Guy is my hero - NOT. How sad he has to knock a couple of beginners over to compensate for his inadequacies.
Society well within their rights to beat the living daylights out of him. Instructor very restrained. I would have given him the old fashioned coat-hangar. Pipsqueak.
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Have you read his replies on the bottom of the clip, some people told him he was wrong but he just won't accept it, and gets quite rude with some of them, idiot.
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You know it makes sense.
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| ansta1 wrote: |
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wouldn't have gone down well in the Esf
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You think? I think the red collective would have closed ranks. |
I am sure they would. |
Just goes to show quite how anti ESF some people are.
The ESF instructor was instinctively protecting his group of beginniers who would likely have had a lot of confidence knocked out of them by an idiot who was clearly breaching the skiing rules. Not only did he ski through one beginner but he carried on and skied through a second.
If I was being instructed by the ESF guy I would have been happy that he had tried to protect me. It wasn't a punch, certainly wasn't a proper punch, it looked much more to me like a shove to try to stop the guy.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| ansta1 wrote: |
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wouldn't have gone down well in the Esf
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You think? I think the red collective would have closed ranks. |
I am sure they would. |
Just goes to show quite how anti ESF some people are.
The ESF instructor was instinctively protecting his group of beginniers who would likely have had a lot of confidence knocked out of them by an idiot who was clearly breaching the skiing rules. Not only did he ski through one beginner but he carried on and skied through a second.
If I was being instructed by the ESF guy I would have been happy that he had tried to protect me. It wasn't a punch, certainly wasn't a proper punch, it looked much more to me like a shove to try to stop the guy. |
Hold on there sugar, nothing anti ESF about those statements, I'd be pretty sure that most organisations would have at least publicly sided with the instructor, even if internally they'd have had a quiet word in his ear about not doing it again if they are wearing a gopro (other cameras could be used of course).
Both my children gone/going through ESF when we are in France.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@emwmarine, ??
Uh, if you'd read the thread, you'd have noticed me out in support of the instructor.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Remarkably restrained instructor for mine. He should have ensured Go-Pro was off and then commenced to mete out a well deserved shellacking
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@emwmarine, ??
Uh, if you'd read the thread, you'd have noticed me out in support of the instructor. |
ops.. sorry.
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| Juddernaut wrote: |
| Remarkably restrained instructor for mine. He should have ensured Go-Pro was off and then commenced to mete out a well deserved shellacking |
Hardly, if the guy with the camera had stopper ole Frenchie would have his white flag out in an instant.
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That's a wee wee-poor punch. Well out of order taking out learners like that and the instructor should have made a better job of it.
Knowing an irrate intructor wasn't far behind, I wouldn't have stopped there either. Nice lack of support from his mates as the group catch up...
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yea the mates were very meh! about it, they probably knew he was a tool.
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There is something particularly piquant about fools posting their own evidence of their own embarrassing behaviour.
If I'd managed to clip two beginners I'd be deleting the footage as soon as I'd finished apologising. Especially so if my behaviour had riled a ski instructor enough to get him physical. But to put it out on the interweb... that is ignorance and obliviousness on a grand scale. Some people have a complete lack of self-awareness.
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He was just putting his hand out to try and stop him, but had to keep it in a fist otherwise he'd have dropped his pole...
He's still in the wrong though, for being an ESF instructor...
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I think he thought that everyone would agree with him and say the instructor was a tool, but he got a big backlash, it is funny really.
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| C - the skier in the video wrote: |
| Have you ever seen or been in a collision with somebody on the slopes? Most likely and guess what, it happens to the best of us. The only way to improve at something is to make mistakes. |
Made me think of this thread ... http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=114794
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