 Poster: A snowHead
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We are heading out to France (Chamrousse) on the 20th December and our youngest is two weeks shy of 3 years old.
The ESF website says that they take children from 3 years old. Does anyone have any experience with younger children and the ESF Piou Piou clubs ? Are they able to take younger children ? Is it open to discretion ?
Thanks in advance.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If asked, just tell them he is 3.
I will admit to producing a special birth certificate for my younger child in this situation (but not with ESF) just incase they asked for documentation.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Joy Zipper, it depends on the child. some "nearly 3s" are quite grownup and independent. Some aren't. And some are quite mature one day and screaming bundles of hysteria another. If your child is in the screaming mode on day 1 you might be out of luck.  Make sure yours is able to get in and out of their clothes and go to the toilet independently.
They do take younger ones in "nursery" of course.
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Point taken @pam w, he's really keen to ski as his 5 year old brother has been doing so for over a year now. We have had him walking about in a small pair of plastic skis around the house to get him used to the sensation of planks on his feet.
The Snow Factor in Glasgow do lesson for three year olds - I may try to squeeze one in beforehand to see how he manages. I spoke to an instructor on Sunday and he said the same about it depending on the child.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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try use other schools if possible !!
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You'll need to Register first of course.
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@Joy Zipper, We had our little lad in the penguin club (IIRC) at 3, they didn't really teach as such for the first few sessions but played in the snow on skis. It worked very well rather and he was fine in ski school.
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@yorkshirelad, isn't wrong btw, it's worth looking for more specialist schools, unless you find good review for that paricular esf for kids. The ESF standard is variable.
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I put my eldest into ESF (via Village des Enfants in Val D) jus before she was 3. No questions asked and put her age of the form. But it was very close to her birthday
Just be honest with yourself though on how much they can do / concentrate at that age. You maybe better with 1-2-1 lessons.
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| RobW wrote: |
If asked, just tell them he is 3.
I will admit to producing a special birth certificate for my younger child in this situation (but not with ESF) just incase they asked for documentation. |
i guess if it had gone really wrong in some way then you would have been on your own in terms of a travel/health insurance type claim.
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I had my youngest in Piou Piou ski school in Val Cenis for a week in March 2013 and she loved it. Although she was 3 she was very small for her age but they didn't check any ID.
The children aren't out on the nursery slop the whole time they are there, they take them inside for a warm drink and a play half way during the 'lesson'. There were a couple of children with my daughter who didn't want to ski and they just let them play, as the whole slop area was enclosed.
You get a key ring to attach to their ski jacket which you have to put your mobile number on. I don't think they'd have a problem accepting your youngest as they'll just call if they have any problems. The way in which it is set up an older 2 year old (toilet trained etc.) wouldn't struggle, it is friendly and relaxed.
I will caveat that by saying this would be subject to their own insurance terms, obviously if they are only insured for children 3+ I doubt they would take a child even if only two weeks shy of 3.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| i guess if it had gone really wrong in some way then you would have been on your own in terms of a travel/health insurance type claim. |
Not quite sure how you come to this conclusion since my travel/health insurance people had the correct information.
It is possible that if something happened at skischool then skischool could in theory deny liability due to us giving them a DoB which was a month out - but this is an acceptable risk to me.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think @emwmarine's point is correct under English law as if your kid broke his leg in a lesson there is a strong likelihood that the insurers would argue he should not have been in lessons due to his age, you exposed him deliberately to the risk ie those lessons therefore you cannot make a claim for him.
I'm not being critical of you having done the same sort of thing myself with my kids !
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