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Piste skis with touring boots?

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Couple of weeks ago in Hintertux, the weather was so bad that there was no offpiste. So for one day I hired something closer to piste skis (not piste skis per se, just some all-mountain Salomons with an 85mm waist).

Well... gotta say that, although I can ski piste just fine on much wider skis, and can carve them, it was cool to see how much more maneuverable these babies were.

It got me thinking - could I find a way to use piste skis with my current Scarpa Maestrale RS boots? (not planning to get new boots).

This would be for "now and then" use - family skiing, low-vis / crap snow days etc.

But I don't want to put Marker Barons on a slalom ski.

What are my options?
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With your maestrales most alpine bindings would be dangerous due to the amount of friction between the vibram sole and the ski, even then only bindings with height adjustable toe pieces would even take that boot.
I have maestrales and have marker f12 bindings which work extremely well with the boot, holding it firm enough to ski like an alpine binding. Another plus point for the f12 is that it's a simple adjustment to also take an alpine boot. Another option would be a convert able boot like the BD factor where the sole is changeable between alpine and at, incl tech bindings.
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Wind the DIN down . . . Your soles boogeroop the tortional release and may put to much vertical pressure into either end .. . Other than that suck it and see if your inner risk assessment is fine with that . . . And your insurance doesn't have a specific equipment codicil.
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Inserts - so you can swap bindings?
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http://www.salomon.com/uk/product/warden-mnc-13.html

or

http://marker.net/products/bindings/lord-sp.html


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Salomon Warden or Marker Lord bindings.
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@horizon, Marker Squires, Jesters and Salomon WTR (and older Snnn) bindings are all compatible with touring boots. I have a pair of (old) Stockli Rotors with and even older Solly S900s especially for this purpose..
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bügger, I gave away a pair of skis with S900s on...
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@horizon, I had some s900 and they were a great binding, plus had a height adjustable toe. The wings occasionally adjusted all by themselves Shocked It also had a slider plate. For myself given that my knees are already goosed, I would still be cautious, but I have defiantly seen people use them with at boots.
I love skiing in my Scarpas, stiff enough, comfortable, light, and you can walk in them and be less likely to fall over.
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When we say older Sally bindings are "compatible", I think that what we mean is that you can get the toe into the binding without it being too much of a squeeze. That doesn't mean that the touring sole will work with the AFD as designed so your release values may well be off.

The newer Markers and Sallies are designed specifically for this so I'd expect them to release properly. Check this thread out:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/5507-AT-Boots-in-Alpine-Bindings-Controlled-Test
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Sliding afd is a must!
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OFFSAKE , just learn to telemark rolling eyes
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@horizon, i am dubious about the information given...

I have vibram soles retrofitted to ms Salomon race boots by a well known bootfitter... No adjustments required.

I believe tha Maestrales have a slightly "thicker" toe and sole piece which may be more of a problem...
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@under a new name, rockered soles probably have an effect too
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@under a new name, getting in the binding is only half the story, it's coming out in a forward twisting fall where the front of the boot is pressing down on the ski that's the problem. Some boots now sport some plastic blocks inserted in the rubber sole for this very purpose. The rocker in the sole also greatly increases the point load and therefore the friction.
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@jbob, And yet they laughed at my Dynafit Frankenboot MWAHAHAHAHA
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@jbob, the fitter in question is well known around these parts... I'm taking his word for it.

Anyhoo, I reckon I'm in more danger walking up my hill in icy conditions with flat plastic soles on.
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I have Marker Squires (I think, could be Jesters) and use them with Dynafit boots without problems. Our favourite bootfitters didn't seem to think this to be a problematic setup. So far, the bindings have released when they are supposed to.
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@jbob, the fitter in question is well known around these parts... I'm taking his word for it.


Have you had em torque tested?

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Anyhoo, I reckon I'm in more danger walking up my hill in icy conditions with flat plastic soles on.


Assuming you're wearing a helmet and therefore limiting the chance of smashing your head up, I'd say no. You might break a wrist if you fall over, but they can be patched up and you'll be good to go in a few weeks. Snapping a knee ligament will end your season, and may well limit your off-season activities for a while, too.
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No, really, @Serriadh, I do "reckon...", etc.

Torque tested? Get real.
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No, really, @Serriadh, I do "reckon...", etc.


Sorry, I mistook it for rationalising.

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Torque tested? Get real.


Too cool to care about facts, brah! A guy told me I'd be fine!
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@under a new name, @Serriadh, it's a combination of the rocker and the vibram on the sole of a touring boot like the Maestrale that creates the issues; remove the rocker from the mix (as with UANN's vibrammed race boots) and you're probably a bit closer to DIN release values
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@Masque,
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OFFSAKE , just learn to telemark rolling eyes



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@Masque,
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OFFSAKE , just learn to telemark rolling eyes



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- so I would need new boots wink ...

... and also, I said I wanted that I enjoyed the more precise feeling of piste skis, not that I wanted a flappier experience than alpine on my DPS 112s Toofy Grin

(actually, I WAS going to learn to telemark, to slow myself down when skiing with my son. Then I buggered my knee for a season and in the meantime he caught up with my speed).
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@Arno, I don't really pay much attention to DIN values. If I can kick them off in all required directions, they're fine for general skiing. For racing I just tighten them till I can't kick them off.
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@under a new name, fair enough; I sometimes ski with the toes locked on my dynafits so I'm not one to get too excited about exact DIN values, but some do
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Strict DIN values are not really possible on most AT setups anyway.
Personally I don't very often come out of my binding, once a season.
I haven't come out of my tech bindings in three years, except once accent when I forgot to lock them down!
I think of risk as a triangle, chance, consequence, mitigation.
If the consequence is high, but it's easy to avoid, avoid even if the chance is low.

You pays your money and you takes your chance.
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@horizon, NTN boots are At compatible and fit a number of alpine bindings as above . . . Sweeeeet Toofy Grin besides which, if you learn to tele' you will understand why your alpine sucks.
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