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From CNN:

A nurse with Ebola may have shown symptoms of the virus as many as four days before authorities once indicated, meaning that she might have been contagious while flying on not just one, but two commercial flights, officials said Thursday.
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Authorities indicated Vinson had a slightly elevated temperature of 99.5 degrees Fahrenheit, which was below the fever threshold for Ebola, but didn't show any symptoms of the disease while on her Monday flight. This is significant because a person isn't contagious with Ebola, which spreads through the transmission of bodily fluids, until he or she has symptoms of the disease.

But on Thursday, Dr. Chris Braden of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told reporters in Ohio that "we have started to look at the possibility that she had symptoms going back as far as Saturday. ... We can't rule out (that) she might have had the start of her illness on Friday."

"So this new information now is saying we need to go back now to the flight that she took on Friday the 10th and include them in our investigation of contacts," said Braden.
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northernsoulboy, this is old news. All 800 passengers who used that airplane since time of vinson's OUTBOUND flight have already been contacted
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Is there no end to this asshattery?

If this relatively self-containing, not particularly transmissible disease gets out of control in the US it's going to be purely down to the various authorities and actors ignoring their own protocols and advice.

Idiots. All of them. All the way up and down from POTUS.
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Serriadh wrote:

He's treating it with exactly as much respect as it deserves, given how nasty it is.


How about treating it with more respect than it deserves. Or is that just too much work Smile
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"I am interested in how the authorities are dealing with it, and what if anything it reveals about them."

Such as the position adopted by Mr Frieden of the CDC when asked by a journalist at a press conference if you could contract Ebola by sitting next to someone on a bus (which question was prompted by Obama saying that you can’t get Ebola 'through casual contact, like sitting next to someone on a bus.'

Frieden's reply: 'If you’re a member of the traveling public and are healthy, should you be worried that you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone? And the answer is no. Second, if you are sick and you may have Ebola, should you get on a bus? And the answer to that is also no. You might become ill, you might have a problem that exposes someone around you.'

Which, leaving aside the obvious fact that 'if you...are healthy' you shouldn't worry about having Ebola at all, is at least open to interpretation as: You can't catch Ebola from someone on a bus, but you can pass Ebola on to someone on a bus.

Glad they've cleared that up, then.


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martinm wrote:
How about treating it with more respect than it deserves. Or is that just too much work Smile


Because it is pointless to treat things according to your assumption of how dangerous they are, rather than how actually dangerous they are.

At the point at which the photos were taken, she's either non-contageous or minimally contageous, and wearing an actual biohazard suit. How on earth is he going to get her bodily fluids in his eyes or mouth at that point? Seriously. She would literally have to be exploded, or perhaps shot with a high power rifle so the bullet passes through her and hits him. Exactly how likely do you think that's going to be? Maybe they should all be wearing full ordnance disposal gear on top of their biohazard suits! and be travelling in armoured vehicles! rolling eyes

You have a vastly higher chance of catching some horrible disease from a total stranger on the street than he had of catching ebola from her.
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catching some horrible disease from a total stranger on the street

or an even horribler stranger in an F1 bathroom. Or the very sick stranger who was in your private "en suite" the night before the chambermaid gave it a bit of a lick and a promise with the cloth she'd already used in six other bathrooms. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Didn't see she was wearing a biohazard suit. Thats does reduce the risk somewhat!
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Now confirmed in New York
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/23/us-hospitals-care-ebola-patients
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peanuthead, not the most surprising. The poor chap's a doctor, been working with MSF. Nothing like putting yourself in the line of fire.

Guardian article interesting.
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On the Subway , gone out jogging Shocked

Sweating in public & still not 100% proven dogs & cats
cannot contract or spread Shocked
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stanton, do you ever leave your house? I mean, the sky might fall on your head.
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He wears a Giro.
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stanton wrote:
Sweating in public & still not 100% proven dogs & cats
cannot contract or spread Shocked


Don't eat the yellow snow. You'll be fine.
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Of course. Im 120days+ on the hill Very Happy

Do you leave yours?
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All the time and never worried about Ebola. Some pretty mean cats live nearby.

You are quite the scaremonger though, aren't you. Do you work for the Daily Fail?
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Maybe its an audition.
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3 developments in last 24hrs. Returning doctor in New York confirmed to have ebola after travelling subway system night before. Another woman from West Africa in New York hospital with ebola like symptoms, results of test awaited. Most concerning of all, ebola now confirmed as cause of death in 2 year old child who travelled half way across Mali with her grandmother while sick and came into contact with estimated 300 people in one of world's poorest countries with poorest public health systems.
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peanuthead, yeah, the Mali one's a bvgger. Apparently D&V when she got on the bus...

Classic vector.

Not so worried about NYC
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New Jersey woman tested negative

Yes Mali is the big concern
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What type of hat is the most deadly ?
A/ Top
B/ Flat Cap
C/ Beanie
D/ Bucket
E/ Bowler
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Media are monsterizing Ebola. It's not as bad as they show. Hell, flu kills more people every year and is more contagious than this. This one is just more media.
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I wouldn't be so dismissive. Ebola kills 50-70% of victims. It is highly transmissible (by direct contact) and the infectious dose is extremely low (this is perhaps greatest concern; you only need tiniest of inoculations). It also survives for days outside body and classically transmitted by fomites.

If it did take any kind of hold in a US or European city you will really see fun and games start what with inevitable mass quarantines of hospital staff, hospital staff calling in sicl or otherwise refusing to work, and you can appreciate how a handful of cases could overwhelm a health network
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"It is highly transmissible (by direct contact)"

That is not as I understand it. I have read it is not easily transmitted as it needs an exchange of fluids. It is not transmitted in the air, like flu, or even by touch. Once you have it, indeed mortality rates are high. But travelling on the tube or even in a plane with someone infected, does not seem to carry a big risk! (Not that people should avoid being cautious)
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Sheppie, that's exactly what I said a while ago. There's 500.000 deaths every year because of influenza, and noone gives a sh**t. There was few dead people because of bird/pig flu, and whole countries got insane buying stock of medicine which didn't work even work (really good marketing by some companies and really great (paid by exactly those companies) recommendation by WHO). Now there's some 3-4000 dead people and whole world should stop, yet winter is just on doorstep and those 500.000 people this year just started to count their last hour between alive people, and noone says anything about. But marketing does good job promoting things which suits them best Wink
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@PeterGee, it absolutely is transmitted by touch. Not through intact skin but you only need a few viruses on your hand prior to rubbing your mouth eyes or nose and then you're goosed. The point is to get it off someone they must be secreting the virus in their body fluids and they've won't be doing this until they're sick.

It is highly transmissible from very sick victims. How transmissible it may be from patients with mild symptoms and only low grade fever is not known.

With so many volunteer workers coming and going to affected countries sporadic cases developing symptoms after returning home are all but inevitable.

These people should know to avoid public places for 3 weeks but holing yourself up for even 3 days is an almost impossibility for most.

This raise issues regarding forced quarantine now in place in 3 US states. An interesting space to watch
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peanuthead wrote:
It also survives for days outside body and classically transmitted by fomites.

I'm not aware of those. Can you provide the source?
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@jogi, I would say financial interests worldwide (possibly including ones with influence over some areas within the WHO) are guilty if anything about downplaying the crisis. Major corporate interests stand to lose billions from this (although granted certain pharmaceutical sectors are primed to make a killing)
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@abc,

You can look up any of my statements that you don't believe on the WHO or CDC websites.

I think the link below will address your specific query
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html?mobile=nocontent
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I didn't find anything about transmit by fomites
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@abc, do you know what fomites are?
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I got an email from my kids nursery today with an Ebola guidance PDF attached... oh good grief. rolling eyes
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peanuthead wrote:
@abc, do you know what fomites are?

Yes, but I don't quite get what you mean by "classically transmitted by fomites"
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Yes, but I don't quite get what you mean by "classically transmitted by fomites"


Dirty violins.
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@Serriadh, I think you're fretting over nothing...
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As usual, no pussyfooting by Australians

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/australia-immigration-policy-ebola/index.html?c=intl-homepage-t&page=0

While USA debate travel bans and quarantines, Aussies are action no words
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I'm moving to Australia.
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That's nothing new. Don't forget, the US didn't want to get involved in WWII either. If it weren't for the Japanese, the Yanks would have stayed home and all of Europe would be speaking German by now...
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@abc, it might have been worse and we could be all speaking Russian by now
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