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Events like this: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/17/ebola-liberia-clinic-raided have probably resulted in many more deaths and infections, and so perhaps some armed guards might well help in various containment roles, and they probably have a lot more training about operating in hazardous environments than most medics, etc etc.
On the other hand, that raid happened at least in part because of a deep-seated distrust of former colonial powers, not just due to ignorance. Maybe it would have escalated and ended up with a bunch of people getting shot and accusations of invasion.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Maybe consider xenophobic Switzerland or Austria instead?
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peanuthead, you're joking, right?
Fixed it for you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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This is a C&P of a comment i read today. 100% agree with action plan.
The only way you will stop the spread of this disease is if the decision is made to stop all movement in the countries suffering from the disease for a set period or until no cases have presented over a three week period. All movement means just that no flights in or out of infected countries, no movement of people between villages, towns etc. Hard decision to make but in the end it may be the only way to put a stop to the spread of the diseaseNew00
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First rule of epidemic is containment so yes ^^
And yes, hard decision to make.
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I note that there's nothing Ebola related on BBC news front page (at least where I live) apart from the story about the dog.
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under a new name, thats the unique British aspect - 2.5m under-5yo children at risk and we fret about a dog.
While stantons quote is correct, without adequate means of enforcing quarantine and a population willing to comply, containment is almost impossible.
The current outbreak started in Guinea, and spread to neighboring countries, however because Guinea has more robust healthcare in place, the contagion rate has been significantly lower than in Sierra Leone and Liberia, both of which are still recovering from civil wars where healthcare largely relies on traveling unlicensed 'doctors' and a few official clinicians.
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without adequate means of enforcing quarantine and a population willing to comply, containment is almost impossible.
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Anyone remember the 1990's film Outbreak 
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stanton, the Daily Fail is almost the worst of the worst. Of that headline the only element that one could treat with any confidence is that it may be associated with Macedonia.
And I hate the use of the word "victim". That assumes intent.
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| stanton, the Daily Fail is almost the worst of the worst. Of that headline the only element that one could treat with any confidence is that it may be associated with Macedonia. |
Was he infected by a muslim? What does the forthcoming ebola epidemic mean for house prices? Was he killed to cover up his knowledge of what happend to Madeleine McCann? What aren't they telling us, huh?
Edit: its been done better elsewhere, of course... http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2014/10/05/typical-daily-mail-front-page/
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Serriadh, awesome.
I'm awaiting the "Ebola causes cancer," front page and "Ebola doesn't cause cancer" a few pages in and "If you catch Ebola you probably won't die of cancer" thereafter.
The one thing that we are sure of is that the glorious fourth estate have excelled themselves in their dreadfullness.
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Serriadh, I saw some screen shot from CNN linking Ebola and IS
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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jogi, dont worry I expect there will be some headline linking ebola to sitting on a chair lift - my 14 year old said all the kids were talking about it at school, it will be here in 3 weeks and it will be like the film planet of the apes.....
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Poster: A snowHead
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I don't worry at all chrisb. It's just how stupid can it be. I mean yeah "symptoms" are similar... you uncontrollably puke, poo-poo and wee wee, with at least one small difference... in one case you smell like open schnaps bottle, and instead of someone calling him/herself doctor would say "oh look another drunk, lets empty his stomach" he puts whole hotel and most likely half of city in quarantine. 
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In more shock horror news the man in Macedonia did not have Ebola.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| In more shock horror news the man in Macedonia did not have Ebola. |
Justc another Drunken Brit
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First Transmission the US
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stanton, so?
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under a new name,
It shows that some of the most stringent controls (recomended by tbe CDC) in the world have broken down.
The Nurse travelled freely from the Hospital to Appartment Complex who knows where else.
There upto 50 other medics from same facilty using the same
Bio haz suits.
The hospital is not admitting ANY Emergency patients now.
They cannot 100% confirm if Dogs or Cats can carry the virus
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under a new name,
It shows that some of the most stringent controls (recomended by tbe CDC) in the world have broken down.
The Nurse travelled freely from the Hospital to Appartment Complex who knows where else.
There upto 50 other medics from same facilty using the same
Bio haz suits.
The hospital is not admitting ANY Emergency patients now.
They cannot 100% confirm if Dogs or Cats can carry the virus |
Not sure what point you're making. Stringent controls will always break down, eventually, because people. That doesn't mean the controls are no good, it means they will always break down, eventually.
The first case of ebola in the UK was a Porton Down scientist who gave it to himself by accident in 1976. Which proves something.
Incidentally, that strain was far more lethal than this one, and he survived, and he infected no-one.
I wonder if there are any biological suicide bombers out there, though? If you're prepared to blow yourself up, presumably you're prepared to be infected with ebola, get nice and contagious and spend a few days leaving the virus all over London (say) before (once you're at death's door) then blowing yourself up at Heathrow departures.
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That "wonder if there are any biological suicide bombers out there, though" is a worry. Very much predicated on just how much damage you could do and sadly it looks to me as though we don't know enough about the virus to predict that.
Cos it's a 3 rd world disease, that has previously typically burned itself out.
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| stanton wrote: |
| They cannot 100% confirm if Dogs or Cats can carry the virus |
It is just as well that the Spanish authorities killed the nurse's dog then, we wouldn't want to find out.
I don't think you can feel too smug, you may live in an uninviting swamp but you still have a major airport in the middle of it.
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| stanton wrote: |
| They cannot 100% confirm if Dogs or Cats can carry the virus |
It is just as well that the Spanish authorities killed the nurse's dog then, we wouldn't want to find out.
I don't think you can feel too smug, you may live in an uninviting swamp but you still have a major airport in the middle of it. |
I live in Switzerland but
FYI Schiphol compared to Heathrow handles only a fraction of West African flights I believe only Lagos.
I have been in Heathrow but often feels like im in an Airport in West Africa or India 
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Try terminal 5, much better.
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| Try terminal 5, much better. |
don't encourage him 
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You know it makes sense.
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ansta1, given the security theatre we all have to endure, presumably they know everyone who was on the flight, plus addresses, plus contact phones.
Should be the work of minutes to at least email and txt all of them.
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Poster: A snowHead
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under a new name, yep, they have already identified the number (134 or 154 I can't remember ) and assume they have already started procedures. Still a little worrying though.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Except, stanton,. No, that's not true.
1. As far as we know, it is not an aerosol vector. That does not mean that it's not present in expelled droplets.
2. Symptoms do not include sneezing or coughing.
3. Do you lick toilet seats? I don't know anyone who does and I have a few very odd friends.
4. Yes, direct contact with adequate body fluids, yes, including saliva, mucus, etc. causes transmission, but unless that contact is directly with your own mucous membranes, or broken skin it's pretty unlikely. Skin's pretty good at keeping things out.
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under a new name, indeed good points but despite level 2 or level 4 protection and being health care professionals these people have still been infected, which may imply it is more infectious than thought.
Just saying.
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Putting our own "risk" aside I have to say I have huge admiration for those going out there to help with the crisis. Such selflessness.
I signed an online petition weeks ago for greater intervention, glad the rest of the worlds authorities have decided to catch up. I'm not too concerned about it here as we have excellent products to sanitise.
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there have to be questions asked about that texas hospital.
of course just like in this part of the world you can be sure that the hospital will devote their very considerable legal and public relations resources into blaming the nurses themselves for getting infected and absolve any blame from hospital itself.
however one would think the best course of action now would be to transfer both infected nurses to atlanta and quarantine all staff in Texas who had any contact with either of these nurses or the patient Thomas Duncan, with or without personal protective gear
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under a new name,
People sneeze & cough a lot at this time of the year When seasons change. Bacteria spreads rapidly from this.
WC on planes are not disinfected after each visit. People touch taps, handrails.
Scientists have discovered 300 new mutations of the Ebola virus.
By tbe sound of it you do not take hygene very seriously.
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stanton, I take hygiene (sic) quite seriously. It sounds as though you don't take science very seriously.
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stanton,
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| Bacteria spreads rapidly from this. |
Ebola is a virus, dickhead.
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| Scientists have discovered 300 new mutations of the Ebola virus |
Well at least here you are talking about viruses. You have links to this profound piece of news?
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| Scientists have discovered 300 new mutations of the Ebola virus. |
This is not '300 different strains of the virus', but merely 300 genetic differences between the current strain of the virus and previous ones. The number is not alarming or unexpected; ebolavirus mutates at a significantly lower rate than, say, influenza, and the observed rate lies in the usual range for RNA viruses. It certainly does not imply that it is about to mutate into a superplague and kill us all. (consider that influenza A mutates faster and spreads more easily, and we have closer contact with a far larger number of reservoir animals, and yet we are coming up on the centary of spanish flu without having experienced another pandemic that killed tens of millions of people.)
If you're interested, there's a brief look at ebola genomics tracking some of the recent history of the virus here: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6202/1369.full
Dry reading, though.
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