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Hello All,
I just wanted to tap into the great knowledge of snowheads to help me with a conundrum. Unfortunately my Preachers are on deaths door and will need to be replaced next season.
I am starting to try to put together a list of potential replacements and was looking for some thoughts/help.
To give you a bit of background, I’m short and round (5’ 9” and around 100kgs) and I tend to be an aggressive enough skier (power over technique unfortunately.) Most of my skiing is off piste, with tours up to 2.5-3 hours, but ski with gf and dad on piste a couple of times a season. Skills wise – I am competent, comfy enough skiing most things, love steeps/trees/couloirs.
My current Preachers are 179 but I would look to go with 189 if I was to stick with Preachers. I would be very tempted by the carbon version but would also be keen to see what other options are out there. I would tend to prefer a stiffer ski and like the flexibility of the Preacher so would be looking for something similar.
Any thoughts?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Do you still want the 16m radius? and normal camber?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I would tend to prefer a stiffer ski and like the flexibility of the Preacher so would be looking for something similar.
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To my mind these requirements contradict each other; could you clarify?
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Do you want serious of laffs? The new carbon Rangers and Directors are contenders in each respective category. Plus stuff from the big brand catalogues of course - personally I'd check out the Blizzard, Atomic and Nordica freeride/sidecountry lines
PS the future is 5 point with a big but that you need confidence that the nose will truck through crud.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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dulcamara, Happy to go with a bigger radius, as for camber, I have always skied traditional, so have yet to embrace the rocker but have nothing against it. Just used to the traditional feel.
abd, sorry, that was badly expressed - I like a stiffer ski and like the fact that the preacher is works well in most conditions as well as on piste. Hope that clarifies it...I blame a lack of editing.
Dave of the Marmottes, 5 point??
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dulcamara, thanks for the advice. I have a second pair, Sultan 88s that I used to use when messing about on piste etc, but find I struggle to get two pairs onto the plane and be under the weight restrictions, so mainly sticking to one now. I do actually tend to carve the preachers - but do steer turn if I am being very lazy.
Out of interest, why are you selling the Howitzers? Stunning looking ski and good reviews from what I have seen.
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| dulcamara, thanks for the advice. I have a second pair, Sultan 88s that I used to use when messing about on piste etc, but find I struggle to get two pairs onto the plane and be under the weight restrictions..... |
Dublinfella you need Quiver Killer inserts so you can share one pair of bindings across both pairs of skis & flat pack the skis for transportation.
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5 point side cut = tip - widest nose - waist - widest tail- tapered tail
Sidecut is between points 2 to 4. Nose usually rockered. Very common now in non piste skis.
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Dublinfella,
selling the Howitzers because, like I said, having moved to reverse camber, I have no wish to go back to a tail with a regular camber. When things get really nasty (like this season) having a ski that pivots quickly is a god send. But that's just me, I never ski on piste even when things are horrible so you know "horses for courses" The ski Logiks are epic on piste and in powder, its just in the horrible stuff they were too stiff for me (75kg).
My advice for different skis for different conditions is generally, take your pair you will use 90% of the time and then rent if things move outside that range... plus then you get to play with new toys and pretend you are a real ski tester (which is always fun) 
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Dublinfella, Just in case, you are not aware, the 189 Preacher is much stiffer than the 179, I always think its almost a different ski when I ski them.
The new carbon for next season is an improvement over last seasons with a 3 carbon system, so much stronger than before, not that the old ones were weak! Whitedot are quoting a 150% stronger ski. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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spyderjon, don't worry, I am pretty sure the next ones will have QKs in them. You have sold me already!
dulcamara, I had looked at the Howitzers before (Blister Gear Review) and was quite tempted (bar the cost.) Just out of interest, how much are you looking for them.
livetoski, Yes, I know the 189s are stiffer. I haven't skied them though, but interesting that you think they are almost a different ski.
Hmm, I will have to get scratching the brain again and see if I can get the sparks flying!
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Dublinfella, at 100kg the 189cm Preacher would be no problem for you.
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You know it makes sense.
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I am 6 foot, 80Kg and ski the 189 Preachers with no problem. My go to ski for off-piste and powder skiing.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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spyderjon, Yeah, I get on pretty well with the Preachers, so am tempted just to re-new...but also keen to have a look and see what else should be in the mix. If I was re-newing, definitely go for the 189s.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Dublinfella, check out the Whitedot Ranger 186cm & the new Whitedot Director 191cm.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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spyderjon, what are the Ranger and Director aimed at over the Preacher, or visa versa?
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Dublinfella, Sorry, was exploring over the weekend...
I was asking for 300€ for the Ski Logiks (just used a few times and in great condition) so with the rubbishness of the euro at the moment, about 250 GBP, would just need to get them back to the UK. No Dynafits on them anymore but holes professionally filled.
Fair warning though, they are nothing like the Preachers....
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dulcamara, thanks for getting back to me. In fairness, probably won't pull the trigger for a while, but will give you a shout if I know what I am doing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'd stick with the preachers.. I bought last seasons model in 189 after testing a lot of skis in the same category and for me these outshone the others by far! Mine are mounted with Salomon guardian 13s and don't feel overly heavy for touring.
Mark
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TheSkiShuttle, welcome to snowheads..
Hate that the first response you get is a bit of an argument but; the weight of those skis is 2.4 kg per ski (at 179) plus 1.5 kg per binding, that's nearly 4kg per foot excluding the amount of extra skin required to cover a 155mm tip! Either you are a BEAST, in which case I am not arguing you are totally right, please don't kill me, or you don't know what a tourable ski should feel like. Also I have toured on the Preacher and getting the shovel through set tracks or to grip on hard pack is a pain in the backside!
Whitedot make some great skis to tour on, the preacher is as far from a touring ski as I can imagine!
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The actual Preacher weights are less than quoted by WD. The Preacher 179's are 2030/2040g per ski so that'd be about 3060g per ski mounted with an F10/12, & about 400g lighter for the CarbonLite version. But the tip is wide for skinning tracks.
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I have only ever toured using the Preacher, so don't know any different, but found them to be fine for anything under 2.5-3 hours. The only exception being earlier this season when I hadn't done much training - my bad! At the moment, I have Dukes on the 179s but if going with the 189s would be tempted by the Carbon's and might look at getting some lighter bindings as well.) I definitely should have gone for the F12s instead of the Dukes...but my bad.
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If you want to tour on a fat ski, get a super straight one. My EHPs fit in every skin track, as even though they are 116mm underfoot, the tips are a similar width to many much skinnier skis.
Also just drink the Dynafit cool-aid; actually makes the skinning part fun!
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^^^^^ What he said ^^^^
Touring rig these days is Volkl Nunataq with Dynafit FT12, just incredible ! Because I'm often smashing early morning crust, have moved away from leg jarring Carbon in the skis (Vulcans and dynafits are already unforgiving enough) Though I'm only 75kG so while I like to think I ski hard maybe i dont generate the power you bigger kids do!
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