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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Cool, will be nice to see if their build quality can be applied to more modern shaped skis. Will keep an eye out for the 2015 season!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| Cool, will be nice to see if their build quality can be applied to more modern shaped skis. Will keep an eye out for the 2015 season! |
Que???
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ulmerhutte, that's what I was wondering 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Their skis and shaping are hardly progressive, are they? At least in the Stormrider series. Not that I think they're bad skis or anything (I imagine the 110mm Stormriders are a lot of fun, especially in variable snow) but hardly modern. I see they have now started to use some rocker, but still full length sidecut (great for some applications, but not all) on all models. Seriously well-built skis, but the shaping is (and has been for a while) behind the times.
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clarky999, or maybe they're less affected by fads and fashion?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| clarky999, or maybe they're less affected by fads and fashion? |
For skis at least, you've got full reverse camber from the Spatula in 2001, and tip rocker in the Tabula Rasa in 2002.
Tapered tips and tails is harder to judge... The Lotus 138 came out in 2006, but I guess that was still a full reverse sidecut design. But the Rossignol S7 definitely had lots of taper on its tips and tails and that came out in 2008? Armada JJ was out at the same sort of time; seems unlikely that the two companies would have the same idea independently, so I assume something preceded them though I'm too lazy to find out what.
Thats a full 6 years of tapered, rockered skis being bulit and sold all over the world by many different companies, 'boutique' and otherwise. It doesn't seem to be going away or losing popularity. At some point, this sort of conservatism goes from 'not being affected by fads' to 'deliberately avoiding new designs and technology'.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| clarky999, or maybe they're less affected by fads and fashion? |
The full length sidecut they're using was a fad once, when pistencarven was the latest big fashion.
How long does it take for new ideas to not be a fad anymore? 10 years should be enough time, I'd have thought.
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clarky999, now you know I was fishing, but if you consider the basic engineering... Side cuts just do what side cuts do.
Marketing genii however, ...
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Serriadh, clarky999, having not been paying attention, to my mind a properly reversed side cut would be more or less unskiable on piste?
Camber I think is less of an issue, if we comsider it distinct from rocker.
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Stockli are made for over-the-hill racers, who have a lot of money to blow on skis but are stuck in their ways heavy, damp, metallic and essentially a race ski with varying wastelines... the stormrider while it is bada$$ is pretty much the same fat GS ski it was 15 years ago...
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under a new name, Haha, I know.
I haven't skied a full reverse reverse ski (camber and sidecut), but I have skied an essentially straight ski with a significant amount of tip and tail taper, which is a pretty similar concept. Totally skiable on piste, but not high performance carving-type skiing. You can all but forget carving, and if you drive the tips too hard you can get them to hook up - in the opposite direction. But still totally skiable.
A mate of mine has Praxis Powderboards which are full reverse reverse. Fine to get around on piste to get back to lifts, but not enjoyable (he says). Basically point it or wash your turns with a very centred stance.
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dulcamara A few 'over the hill' racers will be on Stockli's next season!
Stöckli The Race Team 2014/15 campaign.
Women: Tina Maze (Slovenia NM), Vikoria Rebenburg (Germany NM), Carolina Ruiz Castillo (Spain NM), Marusa Ferk (Slovenia NM), Nadia Jnglin-camera (Sz, A-team), Andrea Dettling (Sz, B- Cadre), Andrea Ellenberger (Sz, B-squad), Jasmine Flury (Sz, B-squad), Nadja Vogel (Sz, B-squad), Simona Hösl (Germany, B-squad), Luana Flütsch (Sz; C Cadre), Julie Dayer (Sz; C squad) and Patrizia cod (Germany, C-squad). -
Men: Tim Jitloff (USA, NM), Andrej Sporn, Bostjan Kline, Rok Perko, Martin Cater (all Slovenia, A-team), Nils Mani (Sz, B-squad), Urs Kryenbühl and Marc Pfister (both Sz, C squad).
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You know it makes sense.
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^ Stockli have always made (mainly) high quality race skis.
Comments wondering why they dont make bannana powder skis is a bit like asking why armada / dps dont do race skis 
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stewart woodward, so, they're like, girls skis, right?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yep Maze is their poster girl but the non - race product is strictly for the pistencarven crew plus a few boomer offpisties who think Kastles are a bit too radical.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Haggis_Trap, To be fair DPS do have a line of supposedly high performance piste/race-style skis.
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Haggis_Trap, doubt they'll be winning any anytime soon! Not likely to be winning any freedom comps either though, and that doesn't seem to affect popularity...
Can I volunteer to be eaten alive by Tina Maze though?
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clarky999, oi, get in the queue.
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"Their skis and shaping are hardly progressive, are they? At least in the Stormrider series. Not that I think they're bad skis or anything (I imagine the 110mm Stormriders are a lot of fun, especially in variable snow) but hardly modern. I see they have now started to use some rocker, but still full length sidecut (great for some applications, but not all) on all models. Seriously well-built skis, but the shaping is (and has been for a while) behind the times."
Think that is very fair and I've not skied on anything with a lot of rocker yet - even my 100mm skis have quite a conventional shape (not stocklis) but I skied about 10 days on my old stormrider xls this season and I have to say they are still a blast. Brilliant on-piste - so smooth and incredible precision and grip. Off piste they have their limitations (75mm waist!) but if you are happy to let them run then they chop through crud and variable stuff without blinking. Great on steep chalky stuff too.
But if I was buying new off-piste skis I'd be unlikely to choose stocklis for the reasons you give.
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jedster, clarky999, all that said, and yes, factually correct, but I wonder whether Stockli aren't maybe just in touch with their market and their market (I think mostly domestic Swiss, would be interesting to see export numbers) isn't so all consumed with rocker, etc. as some non-Alpine countries?
To amplify, I don't see rocker, odd side cuts, etc. helping anyone on piste (rocker equates more or less to shortening the ski and a better result might be achieved just by, ... shortening the ski).
I do see most of the weekend warriors around here and most of the tourists skiing mostly if not exclusively on piste.
thus...
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under a new name, quite possibly! There's definitely a place in the market for the traditional, stiff, cambered fat ski too.
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Comments wondering why they dont make bannana powder skis is a bit like asking why armada / dps dont do race skis
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But stockli do make freeride skis...
No doubt their race skis are great, make a ski heavy and stiff and it'll race just fine. But the worlds moving off piste, it'd be nice to see them move with it.
Quick point: nothing against a manufacturer concentrating on the pistes, mostly fishing here
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dulcamara, the "world" isn't moving off piste, from my observations ... in Chamonix ...
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Just remembered a conversation with an Austrian guy who had a car full of various fat volkls (sponsored I believe). He looked at my stocklis and said they were lovely, like swiss watches. He definitely meant it in a double-edged sense - beautifully made but dated. And that was 2006!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| under a new name wrote: |
| dulcamara, the "world" isn't moving off piste, from my observations ... in Chamonix ... |
Well it's pretty hard to score a fresh line an hour after the lifts open in Chamonix on a powder day. If the point is that there are plenty of people who have no aspiration beyond the pistes then you're right but equally lots of them aren't really in the demographic that needs Stockli performance. I see no harm in a brand deciding that piste high performance is their niche of course.
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You know it makes sense.
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Haggis_Trap, To be fair DPS do have a line of supposedly high performance piste/race-style skis. |
I have a preview of the new DPS Cassiar frontside skis about to be published....stay tuned!
DPS Cassiar 85
DPS Cassiar 95
DPS Cassiar 80SL
Not "race carvers"...but super-effective, high performance tools!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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To amplify, I don't see rocker, helping anyone on piste |
The latest Rossignol World Cup GS skis have a 'Rocker'. It must be just racers who need help
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stewart woodward, "real" rocker or marketing rocker...? Anyway those racer fellas are always trying to get shorter active lengths...
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