 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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LOUGHdesign,
I dont like the idea of the sharp corners or the sticky out cable end in a pocket. ..cracked a rib on my phone last season.
What are the dimensions and weight?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hi there, it's roughly 550g (5 iPhones), and the external dimensions are 100mm x 115mm!
Just a note, the cable will not protrude as far as depicted.. But i get your point!!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Do you have any other photos to show it in action around skis? I can't quite work out exactly how you would use it from the photos above.
It would be good to have a better idea of scale compared to skis also.
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The photo of it in use helps. Well I guess it would stop a thief skiing away on a set. What does the squidy black bit in the smaller section do - it doesn't appear to be in use in the photo?
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LOUGHdesign, that's massive! Sorry Mate..I actually laughed out loud.
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I think you are all being rather harsh. It looks pretty solid to me and could probably fit in my jacket pocket, although I always carry a bag so that wouldn't be an issue. Nothing is totally any thieves.... if they want to get into it, they will find a way. Such is life my friends
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You know it makes sense.
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Masque, thank you for your feed back! We take this on board but we are interested why you think it is unsuitable? This was a project we were set, not something we are hoping to bring to market. We understand that the ski lock market is not one that particularity needs innovation, however in order to create something that would create an alternative to currently available product we followed this design.
It is also, we understand, quite difficult to convey exactly how it works and we can assure you that it will secure skis and your poles anywhere, provide a deterrent, and it is optional to use the wire for an added level of security.
Our research suggested that users highest priority for a ski lock would be its portability, then second its security.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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What's the maximum 'depth' of skis it can take? I have Marker Baron bindings on them, and with the frame between the heel and toe, it makes the combined skis quite fat for such a device.
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Poster: A snowHead
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feef, The inside dimensions allows skis up to 9 cm wide
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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LOUGHdesign, all you have done is build a worse mousetrap . . . THINK about it!
I know I'm being harsh but FFS! You are at one of the most innovative design colleges in the world, you have the support to not just think outside the box but to create an entirely new box and not to regurgitate old tech.
Edit: HINT . . . Why should we have to carry anything like this in a pocket?
edit 2: predictive text 
edit 3: If your prof will give me course credit, I'll join this clusterf'k, I could do with another degree.
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Mon 5-05-14 20:07; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I'm not sure how this is similar to a mouse trap? Either you don't know what a mouse trap is or you don't know how this product works. We would be happy answer any questions you have.
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LOUGHdesign, if you cannot understand an analogy . . . HTF'k did you get into tertiary education?
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Masque, ... if you don't mind me asking, what degree do you have?
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Not like you to sit on the fence Masque 
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Masque, Would you not think it is more likely that you don't understand our product, than we don't understand your analogy? I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge in this area, however if you do not have any constructive criticism to say, could you please refrain from posting.
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What is the black bit made from - if fabric how long will it last? Why could the wire not have been stored in the hollow interior of the metal body of the lock? I guess the lock is solid metal, but as a deterrent that only needs to be better than the average extending cable 'pebble' type lock, I wonder if a hollow square form tube would have done and then the cable could have folded up inside it? What stops the inner part 'escaping' - is it running on some type of rail with an end stop? I wonder do you need the cable at all. I see the concept of something that wedges in the binding and stops the skis from separating and being skied away on, such a thing is useful up on the hill and I can see this working away from a town centre. As something to prevent skis being lifted and placed in the back of a lorry to be dealt with later the thin cable won't prevent a determined pre-prepared thief with wire cutters. I therefore feel that the cable is seen as existing more for the look of the security than actually contributing to it, as it is not really needed outside restaurants high up on the hill unless is someone is going to ski down with a locked set of skis on their shoulders, and isn't an adequate enough deterrent to prevent large scale 'lorry' theft in a town. I would be tempted to lose the cable and almost head down the route of a combination released 'carabiner' styled lock fitting.
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Megamum, thank you for your response, we will explore the idea of the cable being inside the arms of the product, however a retractable cable mechanism works better when it is circular. The black part is made of dense rubber and is actually quite a thin casing to a solid compartment where the cable is stored.
As for the need to have a cable at all, which we would agree is seemingly needless in this particular scenario, we spoke to insurance companies and they told us that in order for a claim to be made, the skis have to be secured to a solid stationary object (i.e. a rack, pole, or tree).
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LOUGHdesign, then is there any need for the lock to have edges at right angles to each other? You could make the lock circular when in use, then the cable would slide in easier. I could even see a semi circle, with a slightly smaller once that slides either inside it or in a rail along the inside edge of a larger one, thus a circle is formed to go around the binding, if said circles were also hollow the cable could still be potentially stored inside and might run more easily. The cable could even be a flat metal sheet which retracts on a spring mechanism like a metal tape-measure. If a circle doesn't do the job then an oval might also work, though obviously there is less potential to slide one half around the other.
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Megamum, In order for it to be as highly adjustable as the design we have now, the runners need to be straight, and therefore the most efficient design is a square, unfortunately. Does this make sense? It works similar to a cable tie when one side it pushed into the other
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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LOUGHdesign, What's not to understand about your design? You've taken 12th century tech and purposed it for a 21st century leisure pursuit . . a sort of adjustable ski/board chastity belt. It's as innovative as taking tissue paper, dying it green and die-cutting it into the shape of a Dock leaf . . . for the obvious ultimate end use.
Seriously, the futility of redesigning the mundane to no increased purpose yet increased inconvenience hasn't occurred to you? Or that a $10 5mm cable lock will be more convenient, secure or less inclined to break your ribs if you fall on it. All you are showing is a variation on an old theme. Pretty pictures don't make an innovative let alone viable product and unless your supervising tutor is just counting down the days to his/her retirement, they won't let you get away with it.
Unless of course, you are just being marked on your use of AutoCAD® I'll ask you again, do you know/understand the story/analogy of "mousetrap" design?
iheartwhistler, which one, you can never have too many 
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LOUGHdesign, Here's an obvious ¿ Given today's materials and moulding techniques, why does it have to be rigid?
¿2: Given today's materials and moulding techniques, why does it have to be bulky?
¿3: Given today's materials and moulding techniques, why does it even have to be carried by the user? (that one at least should make you think past your next toke )
Honestly, your design wouldn't have made A'level grade when I were a nipper . . . what the hell are they teaching these days?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Too big and bulky. I will stick with my 5mm stainless steel wire, made up at a yachting store for AUD7.50. Keeps the honest people honest.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Looks cheap and nasty edges being 90 degrees as others have said not clothing or fall friendly if in a pocket, ratchet closure looks to have no substantial depth so I question its strength when you have two levers (ski's) anything upto 200cm long inside to force it apart, 3 combination how quaint might actually take a couple of minutes to go through the possible 999 combinations.
Combination tumblers are not glove friendly either,( too close together and too smooth, your designing something for cold weather think about how the user will be dressed).
The cable looks like a £1 bike lock from your local pound shop and any part at all protruding is a potential hazard in a fall not very intelligent thinking on your part. If I was involved in an insurance company I would not allow a claim with that cable it is useless.
Nothing looks as though it has any waterproof properties so seized mechanisms are a possibility. Water ice and salt will cause issues with the ratchet mechanism, you could not use materials that could withstand this and wear from use and keep the product within a viable price range.
A key mechanism can have a rubber plug to protect it from the elements and is easier to use and quicker than a combination.
Before you start posting stuff like this do market research ask questions about what people want, people did not invent a saddle then go looking for a suitable animal to put it on. So ask get input then sit down and design or does your lecturer think your future employers like wasting time and money, does he/she even have any real world experience because if so why the heck are you asking the questions you are asking here now rather than coming here and other sites like this right at the start.
Oh and I only have A-level engineering design background yet have seen major issues in your product and in your approach ask your lecturer why an A-level grad has just ripped him/her and your product apart in less than 10 min.
I hope you learn from this and I really hope your lecturer learns from this because if not you may get a job after graduating but you may well loose it soon afterwards.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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To clarify one point in my post above re the ratchet mech and cost a much cheaper simpler and resilient solution is to have a series of holes with a locking mechanism going through, this allows adjustment has no inherent design flaws for seized mechanisms and the lock could be shop serviced or replaced.
( That is just one very simple solution to your excessive over engineering ).
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I do believe I saw LOUGHdesign, post in snowheads asking what the users would want about 6 months ago, so they have actually done what you said speed098, also, I'd like to see you go through the 999 combinations and crack the code in a couple of minutes...... good one mate.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I can't actually envisage myself using a ski lock so I'll refrain from contributing any feedback on the actual design. However, I have been pretty disappointed by the response of a few Snowheads to this request for feedback. The OP didn't ask for a good kicking. He simply asked for feedback on a design. If you don't like the design, then by all means say so and give constructive criticism. As I understand it, these are University students learning their craft. Whether you rate their design or not I think they merit a great deal more consideration and less of the ill manners than some have displayed here. It's unnecessary, unattractive, and makes this forum look petty, sneering and small-minded. At times, I'm genuinely embarrassed to be a contributor to this site. Full marks to LOUGHdesign for his/her measured and mature responses.
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foxtrotzulu, +1
almost speechless.
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At times, I'm genuinely embarrassed to be a contributor to this site
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Yes. 
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On the plus side. Credit to a uni team actually reporting back after a survey. Most student surveys that get spammed to forums you never hear from again.
Does seem a bit "chunky". Will stick with pebble lock and restaurants not near gondolas and bus stops. Locking racks makes more sense.
I've patented Masque's mouestrap though. Steal my skis, expect broken fingers
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| I can't actually envisage myself using a ski lock so I'll refrain from contributing any feedback on the actual design. However, I have been pretty disappointed by the response of a few Snowheads to this request for feedback. The OP didn't ask for a good kicking. He simply asked for feedback on a design. If you don't like the design, then by all means say so and give constructive criticism. As I understand it, these are University students learning their craft. Whether you rate their design or not I think they merit a great deal more consideration and less of the ill manners than some have displayed here. It's unnecessary, unattractive, and makes this forum look petty, sneering and small-minded. At times, I'm genuinely embarrassed to be a contributor to this site. Full marks to LOUGHdesign for his/her measured and mature responses. |
+1
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you better not be on a grant!!! I'm not paying for this tosh 
Not even chocolate teapot imagination quality . . .
so it can happen innocently. I have heard of some scroat taking someone else's skis having a completely different colour & design, & even set for different boot length to their own. Maybe alcohol may be a factor. I have often thought that it would be inconvenient to try & get down the mountain without skis.
