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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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loving the comments. Sarcasm really doesn't work well on the net......
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| a.j. wrote: |
| loving the comments. Sarcasm really doesn't work well on the net...... |
It does but you need to be 'web aware' assume everything is rubbish and that everyone is a troll and be more emotive with words. Agree on the comments though people don't get it but there are few signals in what people are saying to say 'this is sarcastic btw'
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I've seen it happen once - quite scary when the " totally innocent" skier is a little kid that parents have indulgently and moronically let wander into the park with no close supervision.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I've thought about this during the day and whilst I really don't have a clue about "park etiquette," I do understand the FIS rules. It does seem a little like standing in the road at the exit of a roundabout where the driver coming around the roundabout, can't see you until the last moment and expecting it to be the drivers absolute fault ... probably a poor metaphor but best I can come up with at present. Basically what I think I'm saying is that FIS rules can't really apply in a park as the whole point of the features is to jump over them and land in a space where people shouldn't be.
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I would have more sympathy for the park rats if they stayed out of race courses.
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stevew, there are a whole separate set of rules (even FIS backed?) for park / freestyle features.
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stevomcd, and in this instance who would be in the right by park rules?
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Is there a third party at fault, could the landing area be designed in such a way as the only access is off the ramp. That might stop random skiers stopping for a chat in the danger area. 
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NeddySkiGoon, How would piste patrol get to the landing area to deal with any injuries ?
You can put up as many signs, fences and barriers as you like but people will still go past them.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| stevew wrote: |
| stevomcd, and in this instance who would be in the right by park rules? |
The boarder. You don't stand in landing zones, simple as that.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rjs There has got to be a way of designing a jump that least discourages skiers/boards from entering the landing area but gives access to the Piste Patrol.
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As is so often the case, ALL parties are at fault here.
Even in the park, you should not be jumping blind off a kicker without somebody to spot that the landing is clear.
But equally, the skiers should not have been hanging around in the landing area.
Although we can't tell from that video why the skiers were there. Possibly one of them had fallen trying that jump previously, and had only just got back to their feet./
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You know it makes sense.
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In practise, you judge whether your landing is clear by watching the rider ahead of you. You see them leave the lip, disapper into the blind spot in the landing, then you wait until they re-appear before you drop-in. If they don't re-appear, you have to assume they're lying in a heap in the landing zone.
If there's no-one ahead of you, you wait a few moments just in case, then drop-in. If there was a serious incident, you would reasonably expect someone to have signaled this in some way (first rule of an accident - make the scene safe!). It is not practical to check each jump before you hit it. Having a spotter is not a practical solution - what if (1) you're riding solo or (2) your friend would actually like to do some riding too?
It always amazes me though that some people, despite the jumps, rails, banners, music, patrollers, crowds of people waiting their turn, etc. still don't seem to realise that they've wandered into a terrain park and will just dreamily hang around in total ignorance.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| As is so often the case, ALL parties are at fault here. |
Nope skiers in the wrong unless by some freak circumstance they'd both hit the jump in a train and boarder was then dropping on them. they didn't look like that so I'll put them down as muppets who were lucky not to be seriously hurt.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| fatbob wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
| As is so often the case, ALL parties are at fault here. |
Nope skiers in the wrong unless by some freak circumstance they'd both hit the jump in a train and boarder was then dropping on them. they didn't look like that so I'll put them down as muppets who were lucky not to be seriously hurt. |
+1
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Just checked it out, no big surprises given the FIS are swiss but here it is:
FIS Park Rules -
Rule 1: Boarders are always wrong
Rule 2: Dont go under blind jumps
Rule 3: Rule 1 trumps Rule 2
Rule 4: Stop asking questions and give us your money
That first comment on the video, think that's the real Mark Warner?  In either case 189 others (from likes) also dont understand obvious sarcasm, though I guess it's only obvious if you've actually been in a park (or work in the ski industry! c'mon Mark get your act together)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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NO! BAD SNOWHEADS!!!!!
making a link to mark wa(r)ner, stop that!
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Having a spotter is not a practical solution - what if (1) you're riding solo or (2) your friend would actually like to do some riding too?
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Another "solo" could have been laid injured in the land zone for any length of time. To linger in the land zone or enter it not from the jump, is stupidity, but so too is to enter an area at speed / airborne without being completely sure it is clear.
For different reasons, riding the park solo is as bad as going offpiste solo.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I think that is a risk in the park, it tends to get worked out by park etiquette, if you see someone injured in the park you stop the jump, also when folllowing someone you wait until you see them again before setting off. Of course there is the risk in an empty park that someone is unconscious on the other side but in any big park its quite unlikely.
For clarities' sake I should point out that I have very little experience in that "horrible jumpy place", so if anyone decent disagrees, it's probable you are right
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| fatbob wrote: |
| I've seen it happen once - quite scary when the " totally innocent" skier is a little kid that parents have indulgently and moronically let wander into the park with no close supervision. |
I was standing at the top of a bike park when a couple of families decided to lead their little darlings right through the jumps, I politely told them why that was a bad idea and they just looked at me like I was stupid, it was the shortest way to the top.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
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Having a spotter is not a practical solution - what if (1) you're riding solo or (2) your friend would actually like to do some riding too?
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Another "solo" could have been laid injured in the land zone for any length of time. To linger in the land zone or enter it not from the jump, is stupidity, but so too is to enter an area at speed / airborne without being completely sure it is clear.
For different reasons, riding the park solo is as bad as going offpiste solo. |
There are very rarely times when a park (in my experience) is empty such that somebody could be lying there injured for any length of time without people knowing. There was an accident in the park in the resort I was at a number of years ago when somebody failed at a landing, it was immediately spotted by those around, and the skiier waiting at the top (who couldn't see the landing due to it being in his blind spot, but was waiting for the person in front to clear the landing anyway) was shouted at to hold off.
The clip in the article doesn't necessarily show the whole story. The boarder may well have waited for the person in front to clear the landing area of the jump (with the camera angle, it is often easier to see the run out of the jump from in line with the kicker rather than off to the side as the camera person is) before dropping in, and the two idiots have moved to their position whilst that was happening.
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