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Improving your skiing on fat skis vs piste skis

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WHERE ARE THE POWDER 8S GODDAMNIT!
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 Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
clarky999, there was a bit of inner tip lead in there y,know.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
galpinos wrote:
clarky999 Not impressed. I didn't see one clean carved turn.


That's 'cos there weren't any turns!
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I have to work harder to ski my all-mountain skis decently on piste. Might that not be a good thing?
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 Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Used to ski sl skis on and off piste ...
Have since 07 skied on 98mm seth vicious. Alhough not surprisingly they lack "precision" they are more than enough in all conditions.
Back to the Op regard progressing technique and the necessity for a narrower ski to do so, .... not too sure.
You can carve 98mm skis. They are designed to do short radius ( depends what you call short ) turns You just have to get on your game harder ... More focus and make the ski do what you want it to do. After a while it becomes second nature.
Progressing through to a "fatter ski" in my opinion will not harm your skiing. Perhaps when going back to a skinnier ski you will find piste skiing soooo easy...
adapt your skiing technique the other way around ?


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Might that not be a good thing?

Quite possibly - once you have established a good basis of technique. My starting point was talking about intermediate/advanced skiers who I think really benefit from the positive feedback/reinforcement of a more appropriate tool
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jedster, as opposed to just making it easier. I do see that.
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Check out this current thread:- http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=105073#2493843 on Whitedot Carbonlite Preachers. It is not just the width of the waist that determines how easy it is to ski on a fat ski on piste. Soul 7s are similarly easy to ski on piste, and I am sure some other fat skis are too, whereas I know from experience that some are trickier.
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Is this thread also not assuming that carving is the only skill worth aiming for? I think most intermediate/holiday/whatever skiers would be better working on good posture, nice pole plants and clean steered turns, as has been said time and time again most people can only carve on nice wide flattish pistes, the other skills I mention will help you in steeps, on narrow slopes, in bumps and crud.
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My 98 mm seth vicious allow me to do all the above. I most definitely do not need anything skinnier to help my posture or ability to ski steeps or bumps. A skinnier waistline may help though ....
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limegreen1, Smile No I wasn't suggesting you need a skinny ski to do any of the things I said.
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lynseyf,

I know ... But I'm definitely working on a skinnier waistline !
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Is this thread also not assuming that carving is the only skill worth aiming for? I think most intermediate/holiday/whatever skiers would be better working on good posture, nice pole plants and clean steered turns, as has been said time and time again most people can only carve on nice wide flattish pistes, the other skills I mention will help you in steeps, on narrow slopes, in bumps and crud.



lynseyf, Def. finds favour with me as a comment Toofy Grin wink
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 You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
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Is this thread also not assuming that carving is the only skill worth aiming for? I think most intermediate/holiday/whatever skiers would be better working on good posture, nice pole plants and clean steered turns, as has been said time and time again most people can only carve on nice wide flattish pistes, the other skills I mention will help you in steeps, on narrow slopes, in bumps and crud.


I don't think so - skiing is really about edging, steering and blending the two depending the conditions and what you want to achieve. Carving is the ultimate edging skill and getting good at it allows you to redeploy those skills into less purely edged turns. It is also the way of getting used to the big movements to strong body positions that deliver high edge angles but getting confident in those big motions is to my mind the single biggest difference between intermediate and upper advanced skiers. Loads of recreational skiers never manage to get their feet very far laterally from their shoulders limiting themselves to relative weak postures that don't allow them to really drive their skis. It's important beyond carving (e.g. big GS shape turns in powder). Think also of skiing short turns on steep soft bumps or cut up crud, you might start off with mainly steered turns but throw in more edge angle partway through the turn as you build speed and the terrain gets steeper. You also then get to really load up the skis and pop out of the snow when you want to. Always fun and sometimes useful. The bedrock of these edging skills really comes from carving.

But like I said at the outset - my point on the potential costs of only skiing on fat skis too early in your technical development is only really relevant if you CARE about developing a good range of skiing skills. Many people are emtirely happy sticking to a limted tool boxes taht gets them where they want to go.
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 Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
clarky999 wrote:
I'll just chuck this out here to show what you (maybe - I can't!) can do on fat skis out of the powder...

Februany from Sander Hadley
http://vimeo.com/87972046


Depends on how much of a noodle your fat ski is! This guy is bloody good though.. Absolutely shreds!
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