 Poster: A snowHead
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| TQA wrote: |
Started on skis at age 29. Did some boarding but hard boots on a Winterstick. I was lucky and had a very good instructor and was getting down fairly steep stuff on day 2. Being a surfer helps.
For the next few years it was 80% skis with the board reserved for the deep stuff.
Eventually transitioned to soft boots and a modern switch board. [ You try renting hard boots and a Winterstick ]
Gradually boarded less and less as I got to be an old fart. Crap knees are the restriction. |
I find skiing is harder on my knees.
I had a day out with a mate who is a guide a couple of weeks. OMFG if ever I needed something to revive my love of boarding!! An amazing day in great powder.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm a skier but even I know 'boarding' is how you get on an aeroplane.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I converted from surfing so it was more 'natural', but still hard to break the old muscle memory habits. At least I didn't spend lots of time on my butt and I didn't get bruised learning to link turns.
Two separate pieces of wood, one for each leg!? Crazy idea. I am sure that'll never catch on.
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I learnt on a Burton Twin 155 about 17 years ago, fell badly on steep ice (conditions above my ability, my fault) and broke some ribs so went back to skiing (I'm in my early 50's, skied since childhood).
Just been out to Les Arcs for a week with a group of boarders, I was on Rossi Sky7HD skis and rode everywhere they did, but they seemed to have more fun on boards. It was my 20 year old skateboarder sons first holiday on a snowboard and he is a natural, he loved it.
I have hence just bought me and my son a new board, boots and bindings each ready for our next trip. Next season I will try to look after my ribs a little better and have fun learning on a board again - wish me luck !!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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On the principle of trying anything on snow I took up snowboarding when I was about 45 (in the 1980s). I only ever did a few days each season. The learning process was sweaty and occasionally painful until I found just the right slope for my practice (on the Winklmoosalm). I am a slow learner at athletic activities. I have never achieved great competence in snowboarding, sticking to relatively easy pistes and going pretty slowly, but I did enjoy it when I did it. However, I haven't boarded now for 3 or 4 years and I doubt I'll go back to it. So I suppose I do prefer skiing.
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| kat.ryb wrote: |
| However boards come into their own in good snow conditions and powder feels amazing. |
But my skis come into their own in good snow conditions - and powder feels amazing! 
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| Herne9 wrote: |
I converted from surfing so it was more 'natural', but still hard to break the old muscle memory habits. At least I didn't spend lots of time on my butt and I didn't get bruised learning to link turns.
Two separate pieces of wood, one for each leg!? Crazy idea. I am sure that'll never catch on. |
I grew up surfing and wakeboarding. Sliding sideways feels natural. I tried skiing but it felt weird to be sliding facing forward.
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| Bergmeister wrote: |
| kat.ryb wrote: |
| However boards come into their own in good snow conditions and powder feels amazing. |
But my skis come into their own in good snow conditions - and powder feels amazing! |
You have snowboarding to thank for that.
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| snoway. wrote: |
| Bergmeister wrote: |
| kat.ryb wrote: |
| However boards come into their own in good snow conditions and powder feels amazing. |
But my skis come into their own in good snow conditions - and powder feels amazing! |
You have snowboarding to thank for that. |
Along with parabolic edges, twin tips, rocker technology. Skiers should bow down and worship snowboarding with gratitude for everything it has done to improve their sport.
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I spent a season in Whistler having never skied or boarded before. Didn’t work, just bought a season lift pass and season lesson pass. I spent the first month learning to board. Make sure you have a helmet, impact shorts and wrist guards. If you’re going near a park then a spine protector is a good call as well.
Second month I switched to skis and apart from the abuse and snowballs regularly lobbed at me by my former snowboard instructors (good naturedly) it was great. I then alternated depending on the conditions for lessons and fun.
Overall I spent more time on skis than boards. I would say that’s my default unless it’s a powder day, then throw away the skis and get the board out. It ended up with me being in Level 5 for boarding and Level 6 for skiing in their structure, which I was happy with.
Ironically all my injuries came on skis but that’s because I used to take more risks on skis. I’ve since learnt to say no to let’s ski off this cliff and let’s go through the big terrain park 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Everyone, who loves speed, should be boardin'. Because sideways even 40mph feels FAST and 50-60 very fast. It's not a race, nobody cares about speed in mph or how many minutes and seconds it took you to go down the run, it's about how you felt and how much fun you had.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Skiing has 2 planks and 2 sticks, is twice as hard, and for supreme athletes.
Snowboarding has 1 tray, can be mastered in a couple weeks, and for lazy folk.
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You know it makes sense.
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I tried boarding last summer at Hemel as they had a really good deal on groupon (£28 for a 2 hour beginners group lesson) and the girlfriend tried it too, she had neither boarded or skied, so thought it would be good fun to try together.
I enjoyed it, and would like to try and progress more, but as I only usually get 1 holiday a year, I don't want to "waste" that time learning to board when I could be blasting about on ski's.
If/when I get a chance to ski more, i'm sure i'll try and get better on a board.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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As a skier and boarder, it's snowboard tech that has made skiing what it is today.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Of course I can provide a different feedback on Sunday night as my partner who skis has decided to learn to snowboard and I’ve booked her at the MK fridge on Sunday for an all day beginners course (10-6) for £91
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parabolic/shaped skis introduced in 1995. Rocker profile since ~2010. From waterskis you say... interesting approach
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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it's so easy to invent something, when it already exists for past 15 years. For example, I can invent electric tandem bicycle, when electric bicycles exist, or someone can invent deep sidecut or rocker profile for skis, when it's out there long time ago in snowboards. it all depends on your view point.
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Two snow disciplines, sharing same pistes on same mountains. Suddenly one of them starts using same tech for same purposes, that the superior discipline already has for some time. Why you want to look so far, into water sports, when it's so close and obvious? It doesn't matter who and where got the idea of using these tech concepts on the snow/ice, whether it's some inspiration from water sport or just a great thought, they were first used in snowboarding and it's just stupid to say, that skis got those tech ideas from scratch or water sport.
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Nah snowboards around the time that Shane was playing with rocker weren't really rockered.
Wiki tells me that banana tech by libtech was 2008 and they were the first company to go big on it.
Sidecut and big floaty noses definitely came from boarding though.
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@kosmoz, I think this is a bit of a sterile argument. By your argument I could claim that as skis used twin tips first on snow then it's stupid to say that snowboarding got that idea independently from scratch. And as a matter of historical record Shane McConckey did try out his idea for a rockered ski using waterskis on powder snow, before designing the first production rockered ski (the Volant Spatula that went on the market in 2001) As he's sadly dead now we'll never hear from him as to whether he got his inspiration exclusively from waterskiing, exclusively from snowboarding or was influenced by both. What I'm trying to say is that it's a bit more nuanced than just saying deep sidecut and rocker on skis came about solely through the influence of snowboarding. It undoubtedly did have an influence on the use of these two ideas on skis, but wasn't the only influence. As my earlier link https://skiinghistory.org/history/evolution-ski-shape shows there were multiple influences concerning the move to deeper sidecut including changes to giant slalom racing in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Elan's 1977 experiments with its variable sidecut system and its later Sidecut Extreme SCX project, and (later) Kneissl's Big Foot novelty ski.
And as regards rocker, the first rockered ski the Volant Spatula went on the market in 2001 but according to Dave of the Marmottes post above the first rockered snowboard went on the market in 2008, so if he's correct then using your argument snowboarders owe their rockered snowboards to skiers... 
Anyway the most important thing is that we all enjoy our preferred modes of sliding on the snow, so let me wish you a great forthcoming winter season. 
Edit: P.S I only got involved in this thread to point out it was an error (as another poster had claimed) that twin tips were a snowboarding invention, perhaps I should have kept schtum.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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So the update after my partner did her first all day lesson at the MK fridge for snowboarding (she can ski)
Oh god, it’s just annoying, argh, I’m not going to let it beat me, my knees and fingers hurt, maybe we can do multi hire in Norway and I’ll spend the first two days on the board and then back to skis. I hate you. How are my knees so bruised. How can you board and ski?
Her legs have now seized up (calf muscles) and further comment would just be a litany of swear words.
So in summary, harder work than expected and the things you can do on skis don’t come naturally on a board. From watching her, I think she would be able to edge down a green with maybe a few turns. No way she’d keep us with me and the kids on skis though. Although I have the feeling I may get some heavy hints It would be good for me to board with her on hols (not going to end well as I’m a pretty competent boarder and that will just annoy her). She now regrets ignoring my advice about knee and wrist pads 
As an aside the MK hire boots were shocking. Wet, smelly, heavily worn. She went and bought herself a cheap pair of burtons as it was so bad and changed her socks as they were wet.
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FAQ
It's possible for the same technical feature on one piece of sports equipment to be introduced independently of its use in another type of sports equipment.