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The new ski control / RaxSki

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Since 2006 we have been developing a new ski for piste and freeride. Last Monday we found the way how to show the RaxSki in action. An invisible pole lets GOPRO camera shoot from all possible directions.

http://youtube.com/v/OEsbcwZnuyE

As our East Coast friend MaSkinut posted on TGR: "We sliced through some of the nastiest ice/crust I had seen all year and had fun doing it". Other Mags and Snowheads claimed: "The worse the conditions, the more you will like RaxSkis". "One can basically ski offpiste conditions most skiers would avoid on conventional skis".
Looks like that they were right!


RaxSki 2014 – it`s a new elegant model “Carver”.
A waisted and elastic ski with a direction control you can find on airplanes and glider boats.



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Hello Tom Smile
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Your invisible pole for your Gopro casts a shadow wink


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Best vid of back seat skiing I've seen for ages. After 7 yrs isn't it time to stopping flogging a dead horse rolling eyes Now where's that ignore button when you need it?
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I don't understand the concept.... What about the ski is beneficial over a regular ski? Also is this not just a video of a guy skiing in the crap at the side of a piste? Either stay on piste or go off piste..... Puzzled
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Tom. Not a great video. But really glad to see you back. Smile
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I don't understand the concept.... What about the ski is beneficial over a regular ski?


Yeah, tomb, just try to ride rough terrain like these chunks on regular ski! You will see the difference...
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Tom. Not a great video. But really glad to see you back.

Thank you! What is "a great video" ? Riding over clips with the huge avalanche and still laughing. Supported by scores of assistents and two helis. Editing the film material to make the slope unrealistic?
Well, the difference is that this video shows the skiing everybody could perform. You and me and even you.
With the regular ski, we would have no chance.
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Tom. Just skiing an ordinary skier would WANT to do.

Just looks lame.

Show us some of your steeper stuff. Please.
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Why not chop off the bit of the ski in front of the bindings, you are sitting so far back that you are not using it ?
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(Still) looks uncomfortable, weak, limited, and of very questionable value.
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rjs wrote:
Why not chop off the bit of the ski in front of the bindings, you are sitting so far back that you are not using it ?


Would chopping off the front of the ski also make the posts fit the page without having to scroll across Evil or Very Mad
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You know it makes sense.
saw someone in Obertauern last season on them.
to me the front bit of the ski does nothing, other than counterbalance the back seat heelie skiing.
I'm sure they're fun though. But so are big foot skis, which seem much the same but without a bit at the front that doesn't touch the snow.
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Well, the difference is that this video shows the skiing everybody could perform. You and me and even you.
With the regular ski, we would have no chance.[/quote]

Honestly, I ski better than that.

Would have loved to see some steeper terrain with finished turns.....wondering how speed control is maintained, or did I miss that?
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skinanny, he has posted different vids before and annually for the last few years. Still doesn't help me see the point though.
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Tom from Austria wrote:
.... this video shows the skiing everybody could perform. You and me and even you.
With the regular ski, we would have no chance.


You perhaps, I prefer to not look like a doilum. Skullie
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Bright side chaps: if this thing takes off, your pal with the blades wont look like the biggest twit on the mountain any more.
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Honestly, I ski better than that.
Would have loved to see some steeper terrain with finished turns.....wondering how speed control is maintained, or did I miss that?


Would like to see you riding these chunks, ha ha

Speed control? It´s like carving: you do not brake but turn. The tighter the turn the heavier deceleration.


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Those ski pants started off white. And rear entry boots - nice.
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Bode Swiller, There are plenty who mourn the passing of rear entry boots . . . I can see how this works and understand the braking and stability created by them . . .
What I can't see, is any other reason to buy them other than to find and play in the worst possible conditions you could imagine. Beyond that, they're just a daft toy Confused
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Have you ever thought about attaching them to a sinclair C5? There has got to be a market for something like that.
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Why on earth would you want to use these....they are totally pointless why take something that works and make it crap. Confused
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.....why take something that works and make it crap. Confused


Same reason Tom has taken something crap, and tried to make it work! Totally pointless.
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Tom from Austria, so do you have video of a decent speed control turn? The videos posted in this thread so far do not show speed control, and the still pic isn't of the speed control part of the turn, either.
Comparison video of the same person skiing the same terrain but on a more traditional ski would help.

I'm waiting to be convinced.
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Why on earth would you want to use these....they are totally pointless why take something that works and make it crap. Confused


Yeah, meandrew, the very principle of any progress is that people take something that works, cast it off and start using something that works better.
Any questions ?
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Bode Swiller wrote:
Those ski pants started off white. And rear entry boots - nice.


It is even much worse, Bode! There is a hidden hole in those pants. So the whole ski invention is absolutely pointless.



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Tom from Austria, I admire your tenacity, and agree progress is made by creative people making leaps, sometimes into the dark. You have made progress, the wings, making the blades less dangerous to others, and the graphics. If you want to convince
me and others here I suggest take some Rax to a snowhead bash and get people on them, I must admit I am still sceptical.
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Tom from Austria, isn't this basically the same as Figln?!

For everyone who doesn't know what that is (so probably everyone lol):


http://youtube.com/v/ECWtklfopLI


http://youtube.com/v/YT7Y3bDXrpw

Basically just banter at the extreme end of the season when the snow at Nordkette gets trashed (it's all totally south-facing), though in the first video above it's still fine for skiing.

Can actually be pretty fun when combined with plenty of beer and jaeger...
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clarky999, never heard of it, but it's similarity to the Rax idea is astonishing!
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jbob wrote:
... I suggest take some Rax to a snowhead bash and get people on them, I must admit I am still sceptical.


In 2009 one of the Snowheads, DB, tested the first primitive RaxSkis and reported on snowheads and TGR:
"...it was on the steeps where the Rax skis really came into their own so it was off to the black slope although it was more brown and bumpy in places. Tom explained that straight down the fall line & short turns were what was needed. On normal skis it's something that only a much better bump skier than I would manage but on the Rax ski it was possible....
the Rax skis were quicker down to the bottom of a steep hill in mushy bumpy snow...."

Since 2010 there is a possibility to test RaxSkis in Scottland
http://www.aviemoreski.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=287110
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Some of Stanton's old Rax clogs.
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clarky999 wrote:
Tom from Austria, isn't this basically the same as Figln?!

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Well, it is not the same /Figln got neither rear fins nor lateral fins/-
But I was riding Figln in the nineties and they definitely became the main source for our development.
So you can consider RaxSki a grand child of Figl.

It was nearly a custom in Tyrol to cut off long ski at the end of winter.
In fact, the Tyroler were smarter than all ski experts together. For normal skis were (and still are) simply not suited
for riding dowm steep and evtl. narrow couloirs. Figln typically run in the fall line as they are rather unable to traverse hard walls.
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Since every ski run is a race, and they go faster, I think I might take my snowblades to the birthday bash, and get in some strava runs. But I bet those metal fin bits make them go faster. Back seat heel skiing is certainly something I'm (or was) a moderate expert at.

Wink


That figln down a channel looks a laugh though. As much as us tumbling down waist deep powder in bigfoot skis (which are 100mm or something underfoot).
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andy wrote:
...I might take my snowblades t... But I bet those metal fin bits make them go faster. ... tumbling down waist deep powder in bigfoot skis ...


Sorry Andy, metal fins mounted on a 1m snowblade will not make it faster! Just more stable in a driving direction. Rear fins stabilize the ski.
Unlike with big-foot and anowblade, you can afford to ride lines in the fall-line - very safely.
Now, if you really want to ski very fast, take a 1,50 or 1,90m RaxSki with very aerodynamic narrow rear fins, position in the ski axis only.
There is no better stabilisation in the ski-world.
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Tom from Austria, I still think that these could be great for fully stiffened mountaineering boots, a much easier way to descend snow slopes than plodding down them. And fairly light to strap to a pack.
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skinanny wrote:
Tom from Austria, so do you have video of a decent speed control turn? ...

I'm waiting to be convinced.

Ok, let us try this one


http://youtube.com/v/aeP1mbYAIRY

Rax skis dancing. Yeah, you can ski Rax without any leaning back. In fact, lifting the ski tips/ leaning back is just needed for very fast turns or for steep couloirs and rough snow.


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Tom from Austria, I still think that these could be great for fully stiffened mountaineering boots, a much easier way to descend snow slopes than plodding down them. And fairly light to strap to a pack.


You are right, Avalanche P.
You just need a simple non-releasable binding for your fully stiffened mountaineering boots.



By the way this ski is our very new model "Joker with wings". These wings are not casted like all others but cut by water jet stream (!) and bent. As a consequence, we cannot mount normal releasable binding on these wings. That is why the complete ski is our lightest RaxSki.

Some testers claim that this is the best Rax of all times. Both for groomers and steep couloirs.
I can just say that most people prefer longer skis and think they badly need a secure binding. The customer is the king, isn`t he?
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Tom from Austria wrote:
Yeah, meandrew, the very principle of any progress is that people take something that works, cast it off and start using something that works better.
Any questions ?


Any questions? Yes. How can you quantifiably state it works better?

Tom from Austria wrote:
The customer is the king, isn`t he?


And the customer here is universally telling you "that looks inane and pointless". There's a hint there...



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