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I am thinking of trying this telemark lark, in fact reacquainting myself after a few years of not doing it.
About to change alpine skis, so though would plonk some TM bindings on my current Salomon Lord 177 cm skis.
Wondered what the opinion is on length of TM ski compared with normal alpine.
Any views on bindings - 22 Design Hammerhead for example.
Also looking for boots. Current alpine boots are a performance fit size 25.5, normal shoes size 42.

So any points on anything would be welcome.
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I've kinda let my (poor) tele lapse but I think most people who've used them would point at NTN now if you're in the market for boots and binding together. Tele skis normal length sound fine- you're supporting the same weight on them after all.
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As Fatbob says, skis should be fine, just be aware of the existing screw holes when it comes to fitting a new binding. Go for 75NN boot/bindings if you are on a budget since both new and second hand are cheaper and more readily available than NTN. However, if you can afford it, and especially if you are already in the market for both boots and bindings, I would recommend the NTN for the extra power, control and (step in) convenience. Scott have just taken over the ski boot range of Garmont, and you can still find some heavily discounted Garmont NTN Prophets out there which are identical to the rebadged Scott NTN Voodoo (eg. http://www.telemark-shop.fr/LES_BONS_COUPS-CHAUSSURES-NTN-GARMONT-prophet_g_fit,105,0,p.html). I have a 41+ foot size and ski size 26 Prophets ('race fit' if you like!). NTN Rottefella bindings are made in a small and large, and if you go smaller mondo than this then you will need the small size binding. Best of luck.
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Thanks. Probably looking at 75NN gear and s/h to get started. Can't have new everything!!
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I was in the same boat.
If you are a full time telemarker then NTN makes sense.

If however you want to telemark for a change of scenery / 2nd discipline then 75mm cable bindings + boots are ideal, cheap + readily available on ebay.
Assuming your background is alpine make sure to get stiffer cable bindings and burlier plastic boot with 4 clips.

Hammerheads are meant to be great.
I have some G3 Targas which cost me 50 quid.
Not state of the art, but they suit my needs perfectly.
Plus it makes a cheap early season 'rockhopper' touring rig for up here in Scotland Wink
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As an alpine skier I'm so much happier with NTN than I was with 75 mm. Way more control. And I'm also a horrible ski hoarder, with NTN I only need one pair of bindings (plus several pairs of mounting plates) so for me not even really any more expensive.
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colinstone,
I've got some Rainey Superloops which have been sitting unused in my cupboard since 2004, (when I changed to Karhu 7TMs)

These were the "must have" bindings in the early 2000s - some reviews >here<. These are the latest iteration with the riveted toe bar (as my originals suffered the toe bar failure so were replaced under warranty in 2002), so this pair in reality have probably only had about 2 weeks use. As you can see they have the climbing bail too, for uphill skinning.

I guess I'd only be asking say ~£20 + postage for just the bindings. I have all the mounting & user-guide documents for them too.

NB: Boots not for sale Toofy Grin (just for illustration purposes)

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Geoff,
That sounds great. Was looking at a pair of Hammerheads on Ebay, and the length of boot supported/engaged by the SL binding looks to be the same. Anyway, must be better than the military bindings if used before!!
May be popping down to West Country, so could collect.
Colin
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Hammerheads are nice because you can control how active (i.e. how strong the resistance is) by moving the pivot points. There are 5 positions, so it pretty much covers the spectrum of less active vs. more active bindings. I'd highly recommend going that route.
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colinstone,
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May be popping down to West Country, so could collect

Cool - I'll PM you my email.
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Hammerheads are nice because you can control how active (i.e. how strong the resistance is) by moving the pivot points
Same with the Superloops - 3 positions to locate the cable guide on the side. SLs fit all sizes of boots, using the adjuster on the front bail.
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Superloops are essentially the predecessor to HH's. I believe Rainey Designs was bought by (or merged into) 22 Designs
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colinstone wrote:
Geoff,
That sounds great. Was looking at a pair of Hammerheads on Ebay, and the length of boot supported/engaged by the SL binding looks to be the same. Anyway, must be better than the military bindings if used before!!
May be popping down to West Country, so could collect.
Colin


I ended up buying those Hammerheads you were looking at as I've just put my Verdicts into Tele use and felt the Riva II bindings on my old skis weren't man enough!
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Great that you are getting back into Telemark. You won't regret it !
I got some hammerheads on a pair of volkl mantras last year. Fanbloodytastic. Soooo easy on the crud if not quite as quick edge to edge as a narrower ski. Also bought a pair of Garmont Voodoos and they really kick bottom.
I'm excited for you!
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You'll know this but I'll say it anyway. On modern bomber tele gear it is almost as easy to ski alpine as on your ankle breakers, for when your quads get a little tired. Laughing
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farlep99 wrote:
Hammerheads are nice because you can control how active (i.e. how strong the resistance is) by moving the pivot points. There are 5 positions, so it pretty much covers the spectrum of less active vs. more active bindings. I'd highly recommend going that route.


Can't wait to mount and try them Smile
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You'll love the hammerheads. Very true what Peter S said about modern heavy tele gear. Alpine turns are almost just like fixed heel gear. I say almost because I think the main difference isn't even the bindings, it's the softer boots. I learned on hammerhead's & still use them from time to time.
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I moved to the dark side just before NTNs came in. Cobras and T2s before switching to alpine. Tried a pair of NTNs few years ago and if I was going to free the heel again there would be no question. Absolutely solid, great fun.
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colinstone, Hammerheads (or now the Vice) + supportive boots (T1, T2 or the like). Would not use 7TM (or Cobras, Rivas or anything not Hammerhead). My boots fit like a touring boot (so waay more comfortable than alpine). Don't be lured into the lightness is everything ---- Tele in the alps is best done using a lift.

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I believe Rainey Designs was bought by (or merged into) 22 Designs


Yup - Rainey sold to 22 Designs to pursue another avenue.

There is a club at Hemel which meets throughout the year -- so you can get a floppy heel fix even in July.

geoffers, I have a pair just like that -- ideal with leather boots for a bit of old skool !
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