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Kleinwalsertal - any experience or advice?

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Having made it to Munich just in time to miss the end of last season, I am now hunched, salivating over snow-forecast / Snowheads on a daily basis in anticipation for the winter ahead snowHead

Just starting to draw up a few one day road trip plans for checking out all that Bavaria has to offer. Kleinwalsertal has caught my eye due to the apparent variety of terrain, including freeride potential with minimal hiking. Am I on the right track here or barking up the wrong tree? If so, are there any other good spots that can be recommended within a couple of hours of Munich?
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i think a couple of hours from Munich many other resorts are doable....especially in Salzburg area....

Kleinwalsertal is not bad, but....
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Gnarbeque, Contact Steilhang, his wife is from that neck of the woods so he knows it well. There is some good stuff out my way too, especially around the Wendelsteinbahn/Bayrischzell as well as further along towards Chiemgau.
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Kleinwalsertal is awesome and we've had really good snow when we've skied there. We've spent quite a few weeks exploring (on and off piste) around Oberstdorf and the Allgäu area. There's a lot of touring potential but we've only done a few days of dedicated touring out of the Kleinwalsertal. I've got a couple of guidebooks of the area and can dig out the details if you want them. There's definitely some serious terrain around and you're lucky to have the place on your doorstep for day trip skiing Cool

I've actually written about one of our fun days there on the blog accessed by the link below.
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Samerberg Sue, thanks - I'll get in touch. We were in Bayerischzell the other week hiking and it is most definitely on the hit list come snow time! Just found a few other great threads to whet the appetite for what lays nearby (really must learn to make use of that search magic!) Very Happy

juliad, sounds like one of those all time great unexpected days where everything falls into place. Lapping your own private lift 'cat' - doesn't get much better, eh?! Any details would be fantastic if its not too much bother.
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Gnarbeque, Mike_Pow also did a touring excursion to explore the Mangfall- and Chiemgaugebirge, basing himself in Bayerischzell - might be worth dropping him a line. I know a lot of the tourers in my village use the Kampenwand lifts to access the area behind the Kampenwand or you can start up from the valley further up near Sachrang. That area holds the snow well so the options for later in the season are superb.
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Skied in the region last year as we have friends in Oberstdorf, found some of the runs to be above what they are suppose to be, ie a blue should more likely be a red and so on. Found the Fellhorn great but had low cloud when we visited so limited our coverage, we managed to ski down into the Austria side which was a bit of a novelty. Sollereck is more a learners slope, so unless you starting out give it a miss. Ifen was good but felt like a long run down from the top, but the views were fantastic. Oberstdorf is great town to base yourself out of, the bus is free to all the slopes and is so much easier than taking the car. Enjoy..
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Gnarbeque,

Here are the two guide books that we have used for the area:

Allgäu mit Kleinwalsertal und Tannheimer Tal Guide
http://www.amazon.de/Skif%C3%BChrer-Allg%C3%A4u-Skibergsteigen-Kleinwalsertal-Tannheimer/dp/3936740100/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383146216&sr=8-1&keywords=allgaeu+skitourenfuehrer&tag=amz07b-21


Allgäuer Alpen und Lechtal
http://www.amazon.de/Allg%C3%A4uer-Lechtal-Skitouren-Einsteiger-Genie%C3%9Fer/dp/3763359168/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1383146091&sr=8-5&keywords=rother+skitourenf%C3%BChrer&tag=amz07b-21

We're both fans of the area but I can see it being a bit "Marmite" in appeal to others. If skiers like KMs of networked pistes then it won't be the best option for them even with the free bus links. We liked the terrain and the different feel from the larger resorts and areas that we get to ski normally. It does get busier at the weekends for obvious reasons so that might also be a downside for some.

Agree with Simon94's comments re areas. The steeper pistes are up on the Nebelhorn but there were some nice looking pitches off the sides all over the place.

Looks like there's some nice skiing further east but we've not explored that part of Bayern yet, plus some of the Austrian resorts are not that far away either. Have fun exploring!
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Worth checking out/posting in the TGR Snow for the Euros thread too, goldmine of info and you should be able to find partners and lots of info. Less likely to be JONGed in that thread too. Be warned though, it's enormous...
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juliad, thanks - they are on the wishlist as we speak. Having cut my teeth in a few mega resorts, personally, all the best snow experiences I've had have been in the lesser known places due to the character you get in a place that aren't all 10 man heated leather chairs and 10,000,000km of linked terrain. I really like the sound of the
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nice looking pitches off the sides all over the place.
for some preliminary exploring.
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juliad, we are also considering a trip to the area for similar reasons to the OP. Do you have any advice as to the best village in the area to stay for exploring? We would be there for a week. Is Hirschegg a good base? Also, is it best to take a car or are the buses fine for getting about on? Thanks very much!
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Gnarbeque, like Samerberg Sue said, I have family in the area.
Kleinwalsertal & Oberstdorf has a lot of lift served off-piste and is generally pretty snow sure. Not many Brits go there ( not sure why ). It's not a mega resort; consists of a set of ski areas that are not really well connected, so if racking up hundreds of miles of pistes is your thing this won't tick the right boxes. If I were looking to book something there I would look in Riezlern or stay on the German side in Oberstdorf. Both very pretty, but no raving apres scene.
It's a great area, try it out.
OTOH, there are so many possibilities within a couple of hours from Munich...
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Gämsbock, As above, Hischegg is fine, but the main ski area is accessed from Riezlern. There is a well oiled bus service to get you around the main ski areas in Kleinwalsertal though, so not really a problem. The main areas in Kleinwalsertal itself are Kanzelwand / Fellhorn ( served from Riezlern ), Ifen ( accessible by bus ) and Walmendingerhorn ( served from Mittelberg ). I spend most of my time on Walmendingerhorn when I am up there these days. You also have a ski area which connects Mittelberg with Hirschegg, which is mostly a beginners area, and another at the German end of Kleinwalsertal at Söllereck, which is also mostly a beginners area. this gives you an overview of the area
The areas could easily be connected up, but for various political reasons they are not. Still well worth a visit though!
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Steilhang, thanks very much, that's very helpful Happy
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Gämsbock, like Steilhang says, the bus service will easily get you around the Kleinwalsertal ski areas. We've always had a car and have stayed in a small village (Tiefenbach) just outside of Oberstdorf and driven up to Kleinwalsertal where we've then used the bus to get around.

If you decide to stay in the Kleinwalsertal but want to visit the Nebelhorn/Oberstdorf area, you should be able to use the bus service to explore but they have only published the timetables until December on this link http://www.oberstdorf.de/urlaub/anreise/busfahrplaene/

Regarding locations to stay. It depends on what you like and how far from the slopes you want to be? Oberstdorf is a town but a nice vibe to it, Riezlern is the largest village in the Kleinwalsertal, and Hirschegg & Mittelberg are a bit smaller.

Another handy website in addition to the kleinwalsertal.com site above is http://www.das-hoechste.de

Enjoy exploring!
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juliad, thanks Happy
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