 Poster: A snowHead
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UPDATE: New address: http://www.skiwu.org
UPDATE2: For mobile users, I've tried to remove the background and initial welcome message on smaller screens. Now you should just get the table and submission form. Post below if it doesn't work.
A couple of seasons ago, before that site bit the corporate bullet, natives.co.uk user UncleAlbert and I asked forum users to provide their season pay details which were then plugged into a spreadsheet.
Following discussion on another snowheads thread recently, it seems there might still be some interest in such a resource, so it's now been updated in fancy website-embedded Excel-goodness and is accessible >HERE - CLICK HERE< or click the screenshot below.
Unfortunately the last data relates to 2011 so if you, your friends or children have experience of last season, please send on those details to be included.
To contribute, just fill out this nifty little form. 
If your employer is already on the list then please check if their deal has changed since last season, it's interesting to see if there is any development.
This is for everyone's use, of no financial gain to me, and doesn't break any rules that I'm aware of(!) so please do contribute.
Thanks.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Tue 15-10-13 11:41; edited 15 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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albinomountainbadger, will have a look when I'm on a machine with a bigger screen!
I'm currently applying for jobs and any info, even outdated will be interesting
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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albinomountainbadger, maybe separate the pass/accommodation into its on line to be answered with a yes/no rather than have it in the notes
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charlie.wilkinson, it's a good point and we did consider that but found the vast majority of packages submitted either had both or neither; rarely one or the other so the notes are really just to say local Valley or full area pass. If the trend is going that way now though I'll happily amend it to reflect.
I'll do some reformatting of the table at some point too; I just threw it online without much testing tonight - I realise it's hard to read the notes with all that scrolling.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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albinomountainbadger, just thought it would be a quick indicator between jobs with inclusive accommodation/passes and those without. I guess the expected pay should give it away but thought it might be more obvious stated by itself. Looking at the data you've already got (which is very helpful) it would just distinguish the tour operators from independent operators
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Quick update today with job listings from Ice and Fire (France) and Lake Louise Ski School (Canada). Thank you to those contributors, more obviously welcome!
charlie.wilkinson, valid point, I've amended the table to add in two additional columns for those items. I don't want to make assumptions on previous season entries where not obvious, so these will be filled in going forward from now.
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albinomountainbadger, update for ticket sales in 2Alpes - 390€ a week (net), lift pass included, various other benefits (profit share scheme, tickets restaurant, discounts via the comité d'entreprise, savings plan, health insurance etc).
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Today's updates are for roles with VIP Ski, Olympic Ski, SkiWorld and Deux Alpes Loisir.
Please note I've moved the site from the first domain, you can now find it at skiwu.org.
Have also been doing quite a bit of fiddling today so apologies if you've had any problems using the site (I wouldn't bother trying to use it on smartphone or tablet, the spreadsheet necessitates a large screen so I've made no effort to code for small ones).
UPDATE: I've rewritten it to remove the background and initial welcome message on smaller screens. Now you should just get the table and submission form. Post below if it doesn't work.
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Tue 15-10-13 11:40; edited 1 time in total
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This is a load of garbage.
For example.
If your experienced or even your 1st winter season % pwpared to work
you can find a job with an Austrian employer. The Salaris can be excellent.
You find the time to ski 2hrs a day. Thats enough over a whole season.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| stanton wrote: |
This is a load of garbage.
For example.
If your experienced or even your 1st winter season % pwpared to work
you can find a job with an Austrian employer. The Salaris can be excellent.
You find the time to ski 2hrs a day. Thats enough over a whole season. |
So err, add those to the list then? Don't really see why you think it's garbage, it's a dispassionate list of all salaries payed, not saying that all salaries are low.
Would be interested to see some instructing ones from France/Switz if anyone cares to share?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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This is a load of garbage.
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In what way, precisely? The information on it was contributed by people actually doing those jobs and was correct at the time or writing. The fact that you think people can earn more in Austria (but don't give any solid examples, I notice) does not make that information inaccurate.
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Here is just one example for a BarChef coming season
In Ischgl. €1800 netto.
Note:Its normal in Austria that a room & food will be supplied,insurance,discount
lift ticket (half back end of season)
Plenty more on the website
http://www.rollingpin.at/hoteljobs/jobview/134192
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You know it makes sense.
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stanton, you seem to have missed the entire point.
Job adverts and recruiters can promise anything, the table shows what you actually get (/got).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Diificult to read the website on my phone.
I would imagine most of these low paid salaries are paid
From British/Expat based tour or chalet operators more
or likely circumvating local rates of pay so they do not
have to pay social or pension contributions.
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Poster: A snowHead
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stanton, as albinomountainbadger says, you have missed the point. And since you don't work in resort and aren't likely to either, why don't you keep your trap shut? There are numerous reasons why British people looking at a UK-based website would not necessarily be looking for 'proper' jobs in Austrian resorts (eg they don't speak German, they are prioritising ski time over other things, they prefer the easy social life of a TO job ...... etc etc.). The aim of the site is to give potential seasonnaires information about the actual packages offered by a variety of actual employers. Which is what it does.
Seriously, there are times when I actually think you're a bit of a retard. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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albinomountainbadger,
No. I do get it.
The advert in the example I know from very reliable contacts is the going rate & dont forget the tips
which could easily double your wage in High Season.
Anyway folks. Thats my Austrian tip "go local" & you will not go home broke. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| stanton wrote: |
| Diificult to read the website on my phone. |
UPDATE: I've rewritten it to remove the background and initial welcome message on smaller screens. Now you should just get the table and submission form. Post below if it doesn't work.
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| I would imagine most of these low paid salaries are paid From British/Expat based tour or chalet operators more or likely circumvating local rates of pay so they do not have to pay social or pension contributions. |
I agree! I would love to have more 'local' employers featured so that Brit workers appreciate how much they are being exploited.
At the moment most of the data is on UK Tour operators because that's how the vast majority of Brits do seasons, and the table can only hold information I've been given by those workers.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Tue 15-10-13 11:40; edited 2 times in total
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"go local" & you will not go home broke.
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Gosh really? Wow, I wonder how none of us had noticed that one? 
It's also the case that you might well go home not having done a lot of skiing, which rather defeats the point for your average British seasonal type.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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An update:
Previously, I accepted submissions for next season based on the theory that people with a contract in front of them could punch in what is written on it.
On reflection, it might be better to only ask people post-season how much/what they actually received because payslips are easier to understand than contracts, and in advance people have no idea what sort of hours they'll really do.
Most submissions are definitely of the "here's what I got last year" variety anyway.
n.b. Anything already submitted for 2013/2014 will be kept and amendments welcomed after the season if necessary.
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Today's updates are for Ski Out of the Blue and 'a small independent chalet company' which for the moment sadly rests unidentified beyond that.
Also some more site tweaks, sorry!
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Fri 18-10-13 8:32; edited 1 time in total
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albinomountainbadger, practically famous, you just turned up on my Facebook feed, well done!
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charlie.wilkinson, ha very good!
In other news, had my first "take us off" request today. No dispute of the information, just a request to be removed. Any lawyers feel like giving me a couple of hints?
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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albinomountainbadger, interesting ..... one of the lower paid jobs, perchance?
I can't imagine you could be obliged to comply provided the information is accurate. Unless there's some issue of confidentiality.
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stanton, Bit rude to call this a load of garbage methinks. I believe the original idea behind this was to show what the various tour ops were paying as a guide for anyone looking for a tour op job. Local jobs have snuck in too. But you cannot compare a local job with a tour op job and having done both (in Austria) they are very different. Yes local jobs provide good wages compared to tour ops but often they will lack in ski time and not all of them come with accom. Tour op jobs are scandalously if not illegally low paid but you do get on the hill a remarkable amount with relatively decent hours (ie no late nights till 2-4 working in a bar etc. well done badger.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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bizzare...try to do something useful for people and get flamed for it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
| bizzare...try to do something useful for people and get flamed for it. |
Welcome to the internet...
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I love that you are doing this. Have you posted/shared it on Natives - or for that matter, asked for their participation?
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You know it makes sense.
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Iain, thanks for the encouragement. I was going to send a link to Skipedia on twitter but thought you might not appreciate it post-natives. What do you think of the demand to remove information? You must have encountered it with some articles in the natives chatroom occasionally?
Oh I did post two links on the natives chatroom but haven't contacted the current management team, no.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Personally I don't think anyone could ask you to remove the information unless it's not true or breaking some sort of official secrets act or inflammatory or copyrighted. Newspapers publish peoples salaries all the time. Shame and name or ask them to provide the correct information..... grrr.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Well....me too but who knows. Fact the site is registered and hosted in France would probably create a few legal headaches in any case.
I've come up with this as a sort of standard-response to such requests, what do we think? http://www.skiwu.org/takedown.htm
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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albinomountainbadger, just had a nosy at the site since you re-formatted it - it looks great! Very readable. Thanks so much for doing this, it's really interesting reading.
Re. the takedown response - it's quite wordy, but very comprehensive and difficult to argue with I like the link to chillingeffects as well.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I can't link i get an interface preferee page ?
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fixx, thanks. Wordy is to try and grind them down. 
hsdee, are you on talk talk broadband? It's a problem at their end, some weird delay in updating dns entries or something so you're seeing the host's holding page until they catch up.
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Thu 17-10-13 20:58; edited 1 time in total
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Great submissions today, updates now online from:
TUI, Rude Chalets, Sport 2000, Skibug, Skiology another 'Independent Chalet Company', Skiidy Gonzales, Skiworld (x2), VIP Ski (x2) and Jacks Bar.
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I've come up with this as a sort of standard-response to such requests,
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Surely it would be much easier to add a new column called "has this company sent a take down request"??????
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Snowheads needs a like button
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Thanks for recent contributions, over 150 roles now and getting back up to date with this. Started a twitter feed for updates to save reviewing the table each time: https://twitter.com/SkiWu_org
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