 Poster: A snowHead
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| ... the decision of most UK ski magazine publishers to include skateboarding in their titles was an elementary mistake... |
as is mistaking snowboarding for skateboarding!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| Freudian slip. |
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Comedy Goldsmith, Your confusion is understandable, in the image you post of the 'Ski+board' make absolutely no reference to snowboarding anywhere. Even in the title - Board yes, but Snowboard? Skateboard? Chipboard? Full or Half board?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Comedy Goldsmith, reminds me of one of my favourite lines from Frasier:
"I delivered a speech at the conference last night. I was especially pleased with my opening line: 'My fellow psychiatrists, as I watched you on the slopes today I realised I had never seen so many Freudians slip!'"
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| davkt wrote: |
| Fall Line's web page saying it is suspended now. |
That looks like a standard system message from their webhosts (http://ukservers.com/). Either the bill's not been paid for the website hosting, or someone at the host has screwed up. It's not an uncommon mistake and oversight. I've seen quite a few relatively high profile sites go offline for a couple of days because they were late with an invoice. The internet is one place an overdue bill can have instant effects, rather than faffing and chasing 
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Fall Line is back live again.
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I pay to support the industry and the articles I enjoy reading. Some of the Fall-Line articles are magnificent but:
-Last year in one of their articles they used stock images from the tourist board
-Their reviews are almost worthless. They brown-nose and there is little accurate criticism.
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Bode Swiller, andersont, ....and everyone: can we just take a quick roll-call of what we would all like to see in a magazine - both in terms of topics and editorial approach?
I wrote for the mountain bike mags in the 90s (remember those) at that time they were doing excellent things - i identify strongly with the new editorial style of mags like privateer which have returned to those earlier days - good standards of journalism, critical extended pieces which don't assume the readership is dumb, and very independent reviews. I have wriitten extended pieces for the ski mags and can't get anything published, they want to stick to 2 to 3 pages of dross as the maximum length. Hence 'read them in 5 minutes'.
It may be that there could be extension to snowheads which can pick up some of these functions eg ukclimbing does good independent reviews in a standard format. Could be done here.
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My copy of ski + board has arrived, have to say I'm impressed by the new look and feel.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Comedy Goldsmith,
OMG thats it, the rest of my day is wasted, and probably tomorrow as well. I am now having to go through every page of those mags again to find that picture of me in one of them, dam you Goldsmith 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| valais2 wrote: |
Cycling has sudden seen the appearance of high quality, editorially independent mags. Mountain biking now has the amazing Privateer. Nine pounds (that's 9 of your English Pounds) each copy!!!
...And worth every penny. Fantastic photos, decent journalism. Really, really worth it. Skiing needs the same....and God knows where it's going to come from.... |
I agree. I often buy Cyclist magazine, which has high production values and a lot of great articles and reviews, kind of a hybrid of Privateer/Peloton magazines and Cycling plus. It can take a long time to get through the magazine.
However skiing must be a tougher sport to write such interesting articles about...ski racing doesn't quite have so many epic tales that bike racing does (IMO) and equipment is a bit more limited than for cycling. Decent, in depth resort reviews including piste/off-piste itinieries would be of interest only if you're going there or are seriously thinking of doing so, although an honest appraisal rather than the tourist board sponsored guff you normally get would be good. Another major issue I suppose is that most people just go skiing for their 6 days a year, whereas people cycle all year round and in the whole of the UK, and so there is generally more interest.
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| livetoski wrote: |
OMG thats it, the rest of my day is wasted, and probably tomorrow as well. I am now having to go through every page of those [Skateboard!] mags again to find that picture of me in one of them, dam you Goldsmith |
Yay! You should be so lucky.
I worked on 14 of the 19 editions of Skateboard! but my photo didn't appear once! (mind you, I was a relative oldie at 24-25 years)
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Why bother with the "& Snowboarder"?
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Poster: A snowHead
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what?? who skies for 6 days a year? might as well not bother... 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Indeed. I imported the first snowboards into the UK in 1978 (35 years ago). It isn't a novelty item anymore. The first UK snowboard magazines appeared over 20 years ago, without ski content. Any ski magazine editor who still thinks it's a smart idea to publish a dual-purpose magazine (i.e. giving skiers the impression they are being offered a compromised product) is ...
... worthy of Madame Tussauds 'dinosaur waxification'.
Where are the new young turks of ski media in the UK?
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Mon 7-10-13 13:15; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The WL Resort Guide just came out too. IMO Whitelines has improved significantly in the last few years providing a more mature style of writing, interviews with pretty much every interesting rider and some great travel articles. I think it reflects the now well established UK shred scene and the fact it has no need to be squeezed in as an afterthought in mags desperate to appeal to the yoof and up circulation.
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Comedy Goldsmith,
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Another UK ski magazine out (Sep/Oct 2013).
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Just thumb through the mag on line nice little section on avi gear shame they got the labels wrong on the Mammut bags there is enough confusion with the name changes for this season and then a magazine gets things the wrong way round as well?
The Skateboard thing was a pic of me getting big air out of a bowl I was on a Alva board with green kryps, still looking, but I remember way back seeing the pic and saying wow thats me 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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So, we're agreed, get rid of the:
"+ Board"
"& Snowboarder"
"and Snowboarder"
afterthought-meaningless-title-lengtheners
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Then we're left with:
SCGB's Ski
Skier
Daily Telegraph Ski
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So the only one really differentiating themselves is Fall Line.
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but any articles about things like reviews of resorts, avi gear, etc appeal to BOTH groups. Why not sell to snowboarders looking to go to a resort too?
As a snowboarder who nowadays also occasionally novice skies, I love all things snow and don't mind a joint mag.
For me snowboarding is an alternative use of snow (i.e. alternative to SKIING), not merely something to do in winter as an alternative to SKATEBOARDING as a summer activity. So as a snowboarder I don't care much for shredding, jibbing, the latest low-slung trousers showing the world half my back bottom etc.
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| boardiac wrote: |
As a snowboarder who nowadays also occasionally novice skies, I love all things snow and don't mind a joint mag.
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Particularly if the paper doubles as Rizlas.
FWIW I flipped through Fall-Line in a WH Smith while shopping at the weekend - looked pretty solid, just I've lost the urge to buy paper media these days.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I never really got interested in UK snow magazines, although I did live here. I thought they were too oriented towards fashion and beginners. When I found Powder (Californian) in airports, it was radically different. They had pictures of experts doing things I was interested in, and text to match. Then Transworld (also California) was like punk to the glam rock of Powder. Those paper magazines told me that there was more to snow sports than winter holidays for posh people. Check that "skier & snowboarder" link here and I'd say that's a classic UK snow magazine.
Now things have moved on anyway, so paper's value is less clear. Transworld has been a teen fanzine for some time. Publishers like Future are chasing larger markets in bikes. Whilst the mass market may be done, there are niche magazines like Frequency and Carving which are supported by smaller communities with narrower interests.
If you look at the business model of a paper publisher it should not take you long to work out why you're going to find it hard to get objective reviews of anything in them.
Even if you don't understand the economics, the idea that one person can review a plank on behalf of another isn't great. What works for me probably won't work for you...
As far as ski/ snowboard... I think that's really a novice/ marketing issue. I usually ride with people who are equally capable on two planks or one. What you ride isn't the important question, it's "do you know how to ride?"
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