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Seems like you have the right attitude to the mountains buddy1664.
Rab Carrington told a mate of mine before our first alpine trip to always remember the golden rule...
Better a postponement than a postmortem.
In the winter alpinism game I always call it the conditions karma, where you have to take the rubbish conditions and weather that you often get with the fact that they offer the opportunity to go for a ski or just enjoy being away from the hassle and noise of everyday life. I think that if you let the moutains be and dont moan you will get rewarded with the perfect combination of weather, conditions and partners in time to meet any ambitions you have.
Good luck for next year, maybe see you in cham.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yeah, fair play on the guide calling it off. Clearly was 100% on the money. A small minority of people were still taking the Royal route but I think someone adapted the route slightly as it didn't follow the course we'd researched.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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He's the CEO of a social media marketing company, therefore there is a strong chance this was a publicity stunt and this is adding to the SPAM sandwich.
I commend Sweeney's attempt to get his children to be contrarian in their attempt to shrug off generation Y, or wherever they are in the alphabet BUT………. what a dumb C you next tombsday!!!!! I bet he's a devout evangelical as well. Probably makes his kids recite Anselme Baud's 'Book of Death' like they are islamic extremists wrongly declaiming the Quran, whilst kneeling on thermorests, pointing at Mont Blanc!!!!! 
Whilst we're talking of Monsieur Baud. Perhaps Pat should go and chat to him about losing one's child to the mountain. Let him capture the moment on his Gopro when he is looking into the eyes of a father that has lived too far beyond his son, due to a passion/addiction/habit that he introduced him to. That said, I would wager that Monsieur Baud did not take his son down Le Tour Ronde as soon as he graduated from the Panda Club!!!
Grand Couloir aside, what would have happened if HE had fallen on the Bosses Ridge??? I doubt his 9 year old would have jumped the other way in time and I very much doubt that his daughter would have held both of them.
I'd like to see them carryout a slick crevasse rescue of there unconscious father and then give him adequate basic life support if needed.
This is how that bastion of British bullsh*t, the daily mail reported it - "Father Patrick Sweeney SAVES daughter 11 and son 9"
"I heard P.J. scream first, and then Shannon scream and all I could think of was I have to bury my ice axe and I have to create a good anchor," Patrick Sweeney told Good Morning America.
Doesn't sound like his kids are reacting like experienced mountaineers who will have to make split second decisions to avert dyer consequences. No, it sounds like they are reacting like they should….. children.
We have seen too many children lead/dragged to their deaths in this region by fathers that are obsessed with there own machismo. They are so focused on a flawed belief that they are baptising their young children at such a young age with this exposure to a clear and real danger.
To kick off I would have normally mentioned a certain English naturalist if it wasn't so sad that children were involved. So I'll just call him a F'ing Cockrel
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They are making hard work of that.
There is normally a member of the PGHM stationed at the start of the route via the Gouter to advise climbers, I wonder if he saw this family? Maybe he was busy smoking a gaullois and didn't notice?
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| davidof wrote: |
They are making hard work of that.
There is normally a member of the PGHM stationed at the start of the route via the Gouter to advise climbers, I wonder if he saw this family? Maybe he was busy smoking a gaullois and didn't notice? |
I have to disagree with you there - unless you are realy high altitude fit - this is as fast as I would expect most people to be going, especially given the wind...then again it's always bloody windy up there
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Yes, not technical at all but a trip and slide would take you for a long long fall into Italy. If you're a confident mountaineer then some may not even rope up. It's all about the current conditions though.
There are lots of fairly inexperienced groups that summit, they rely souly on the strength/supiour acclimatisation/skills of their Guide. I personally think it's pretty dim to take young kids up there and put them in a position where they might have to orchestrate a rescue etc.
I've got two young boys, I'm conscious of them wanting to emulate their parents. It is one of our most basic of instincts. Therefore it's simply dumb to offer the argument "it's their choice, they want to do it." I'm not sure if their father was a ballerina they'd be begging to climb MB.
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Very different story with the skill ratio (three adults:one child) above but still fool hardy IMO. I've only been up there twice so by no means an expert. I have to agree with Idris though, didn't see many teams going much faster than the people in the video above and that includes a 4 man rando/lycra clad skimo team.
Yeah the Bosses Ridge isn't 'that bad' but I don't think a photo illustrates how most peeps are feeling when they are on it, never mind an under 10. The photo of the ridge above is probably the flattest and widest section though.
I really think Pat Sweeney was pretty dim to attempt this with two young children.
So davidof, whats your view, or is your opinion clear from the angle above?
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| Buddy1664 wrote: |
So davidof, whats your view, or is your opinion clear from the angle above? |
My view is that the weather has not really been stable enough this summer to risk climbing Mont Blanc. Period.
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You know it makes sense.
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There is little skill involved in the grand couloir, it's a lottery. Taking a 7 year old across it was reckless with someone's else's life.
What age you should encourage adventure at this level I wouldn't like to answer.
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