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You miss my point a bit, I think - I'm 36. At my age, I would take his offer. At 21, I'd have gone to be with other 21 year olds, survived on 3 hours sleep a night, got drunk and got laid a lot. Hangovers, an increased appreciation for my own time and a permanent girlfriend rule this lifestyle out these days.
My point was thus that nixmap's offer will suit some people - it won't others. The weird accusations of exploitation and frankly bizarre references to Swiss consuls on this thread strike me as being a little bit, well, ridiculous.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
| At 21, I'd have gone to be with other 21 year old, survived on 3 hours sleep a night, got drunk and got laid a lot. |
Ok, so maybe read again what you have quoted me as saying in this thread, and perhaps then you'll 'get' it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Perhaps.
I wouldn't be so prickly. I picked up on your post as a random example of an attitude I question, not as the sole progenitor of it - there are far more extreme examples. Happy to delete the reference to your post if this would soothe ruffled feathers.
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Harry Flashman, I have no problem with someone objecting to my attitude but I don't really see how you can when you say you'd have gone for the party and beer money option at 21, which is exactly what I was suggesting nixmap's kids' attitude would be. I also have no problem if you think it's "prickly" of me to point this out to you, so there's really no need for you to delete anything.
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Ah - I get your point now (took a while)! I hadn't focussed on the fact that you were talking about his kids' attitude, and only theirs. Yours was the wrong post to pick to make my point; in fact yours actually reinforces mine, saying that for some folk this offer would work, and for some it would not. So in fact, I picked entirely the wrong post to object to.
My argument still stands, but the target of it was incorrect; should have picked masque or similar. Apologies.
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
| should have picked masque. |
Now it's time for popcorn 
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Harry Flashman, As has been said before, it is a job, therefore a Swiss work permit is required, working without a permit in Switzerland as a 'foreign national' requires a work permt. To work without one will lead to deportation. Simples!
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I'm an EEA national - getting a a temporary work permit is hardly a hardship if absolutely necessary. It is a job - but very much a part-time one, and payment is accommodation and lift pass.
Frankly though, I'd probably wing it and hope for the best. This is probably irresponsible etc etc, but there it is.
My point was that this isn't some hellishly exploitative offer. If you take it, you know the risks. It's a better deal than many paid jobs, given the amount of time off and quality of digs.
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As someone who would probably be ideal for this if it wasn't for the fact I have no savings to sustain myself whilst out there, I'd go for it too. It's just a mutual arrangement between friends - as long as there were some groundrules in the interests of both parties, particularly with regards to the kids and should anything go wrong. Fair play to Masque for pointing out the potential legal issues, especially considering it being Switzerland and all, but any good grown-up will realise that it's awkward territory in any country and would treat it accordingly.
The risk is on nixmap's side of the deal - having a stranger live in your properties and potentially look after your kids.
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| call me dave wrote: |
The risk is on nixmap's side of the deal - having a stranger live in your properties and potentially look after your kids. |
The risk is on both side. As mentioned above, the "non-worker" is violating Swiss immigration law. Granted, the chance of being found out is low.
As for nixmap, it's not that different than hiring any other household help. He must have hired nanny when the kids were small, and cleaning staff etc along the way. Nothing happened then and it's even less likely to happen now the kids are older. It's not as risky as it seems to you.
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Can't believe all the fuss about this.
Scenario... You meet someone down the pub and get chatting. Mention to them you've got a chalet and need a house sitter over the winter season. Agree to some 'house rules' as they say they're interested as they could do with a holiday....
what's the difference?
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what's the difference?
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the pub isn't full of interfering old or jealous farts with nothing better to do than moan about the same things over and over... just like old people in fact 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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UK and EU citizens can enter freely, in most cases for 90 days without concern.
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Also Yanks and Canukistanis. 90 days before you need a tourist visa (assuming you are not working of course).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| boredsurfin wrote: |
spud, geeo, the difference is we are talking about Switzerland a nation who do not tolerate foreign nationals being in thei country for more than a few weeks without a work or residency permit.
Neither of which come with the job on offer.
I'ts illegal - that's the difference!
And yes I have worked in Switzerland - with a work permit 
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Change the "a few weeks" to "a few months", it still applies.
It's still illegal after the 3 month mark, which the "offer" expects to last beyond.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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mishmosh, Right!
a few weeks is about 12 in my book whichever way you try and spin it .....it's still illegal.
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| boredsurfin wrote: |
mishmosh, Right!
a few weeks is about 12 in my book whichever way you try and spin it .....it's still illegal. |
I tend to round up to months once we get into them. Your comments might have been misleading to any punter looking to take an extended break in Switzerland.
Its becoming frustrating to see people lying or misleading with simple checkable facts in order to make their argument.
You are right that it is "illegal" in any event for an EU/UK citizen to remain in CH after 90 days and anyone considering doing a self funded season there should take note.
Q. Have the Swiss deported skiers in breach of this rule ? Can anyone give an example?
It's also illegal to : drive at over 70mph on the UK motorway. Its "illegal" (breach of T&Cs) to pack 2 sets of skis in one bag and pretend they are one pair with all your extra clothing as well. Its illegal not pay your cleaners tax and national insurance. All of these breaches of the law carry serious penalties. But these laws are breached every day, and I wager by quite a number of people on this forum.
I think you will find that Swiss authorities won't bat an eye to having a long stay guest during the ski season - especially if the family are net spenders in their economy.
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Its "illegal" (breach of T&Cs) to pack 2 sets of skis in one bag and pretend they are one pair with all your extra clothing as well
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What law is that breaking?
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| mishmash wrote: |
It's also illegal to : drive at over 70mph on the UK motorway. Its "illegal" (breach of T&Cs) to pack 2 sets of skis in one bag and pretend they are one pair with all your extra clothing as well. Its illegal not pay your cleaners tax and national insurance. All of these breaches of the law carry serious penalties. But these laws are breached every day, and I wager by quite a number of people on this forum.
I think you will find that Swiss authorities won't bat an eye to having a long stay guest during the ski season - especially if the family are net spenders in their economy. |
The penalty for driving above 70mph is a couple hundred quid in fine. The penalty for putting 2 pairs of skis in the ski bag is again a couple hundred quid of excess luggage charge!
Those are more "serious" than working without a work permit?
| mishmash wrote: |
| Its becoming frustrating to see people lying or misleading with simple checkable facts in order to make their argument |
Are you "serious"??? 
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Yawn. Don't apply if its not for you.
If it is, do it.
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| musher wrote: |
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Its "illegal" (breach of T&Cs) to pack 2 sets of skis in one bag and pretend they are one pair with all your extra clothing as well
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What law is that breaking? |
Simples - Law of Contract.
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| abc wrote: |
| mishmash wrote: |
It's also illegal to : drive at over 70mph on the UK motorway. Its "illegal" (breach of T&Cs) to pack 2 sets of skis in one bag and pretend they are one pair with all your extra clothing as well. Its illegal not pay your cleaners tax and national insurance. All of these breaches of the law carry serious penalties. But these laws are breached every day, and I wager by quite a number of people on this forum.
I think you will find that Swiss authorities won't bat an eye to having a long stay guest during the ski season - especially if the family are net spenders in their economy. |
The penalty for driving above 70mph is a couple hundred quid in fine. The penalty for putting 2 pairs of skis in the ski bag is again a couple hundred quid of excess luggage charge!
Those are more "serious" than working without a work permit?
| mishmash wrote: |
| Its becoming frustrating to see people lying or misleading with simple checkable facts in order to make their argument |
Are you "serious"??? |
Check the facts again please - if you quote oranges compare with oranges (ie Swiss maxed out immigration law vs UK maxed out traffic law - AKA "you cant have your cake and eat it" ) :
Speeding £1,000 fine (£2,500 for motorway offences) / Discretionary disqualification 3 to 6, or 3 (fixed penalty)
https://www.gov.uk/highway-code-penalties/penalty-table
just a few weeks, just a couple of hundred quid.... This poo-poo is easy to look up people!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| mishmash wrote: |
Check the facts again please - if you quote oranges compare with oranges (ie Swiss maxed out immigration law vs UK maxed out traffic law - AKA "you cant have your cake and eat it" ) :
Speeding £1,000 fine (£2,500 for motorway offences) / Discretionary disqualification 3 to 6, or 3 (fixed penalty)
https://www.gov.uk/highway-code-penalties/penalty-table
just a few weeks, just a couple of hundred quid.... This poo-poo is easy to look up people! |
And the "fact" on Swiss immigration law for working without a valid permit?
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You know it makes sense.
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| abc wrote: |
| mishmash wrote: |
Check the facts again please - if you quote oranges compare with oranges (ie Swiss maxed out immigration law vs UK maxed out traffic law - AKA "you cant have your cake and eat it" ) :
Speeding £1,000 fine (£2,500 for motorway offences) / Discretionary disqualification 3 to 6, or 3 (fixed penalty)
https://www.gov.uk/highway-code-penalties/penalty-table
just a few weeks, just a couple of hundred quid.... This poo-poo is easy to look up people! |
And the "fact" on Swiss immigration law for working without a valid permit? |
I haven't got the first idea . I d hazard worst case enforced deportation - so free easy Jet home and a story to tell - Its not the USSR , you can go back again. I cant really see it as likely given these circumstances - " long stay house guest helping out with chores" - by the time a court date is set the season is finished. abc, seriously , how do you think it could be worse? Prison time (costing CH more ?) Fine based on unpaid income vs zero income?
I didn't come on saying I knew the answer - I came on saying that some "facts" were way off and clearly stated to intimidate people interested in pursuing the possibility.
All I am saying here is a number of people have come on breathing Naplam at Nixmap, quoting BS without back up and the only reason I can see for it is that they are envious because they secretly want to go or they think he is too privileged.
For all those "its illegal" commentators - this is the same forum that has 1600 post saying the ESF vs ski host decision - which is French National Law - is nonsense.
so slightly hypocritical no?
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| Filthyphil30k wrote: |
Yawn. Don't apply if its not for you.
If it is, do it. |
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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more on deportation etc ---- [ IF THIS THREAD NOW HAS THE SAME INTEREST FOR YOU AS JAPANESE KNOTWEED - LOOK AWAY NOW..]
"The deadline for leaving Switzerland is specific to each case, emphasised Burnens. “If the person is not a threat, they get up to three months’ notice. But when we are dealing with serious cases, like a drug dealer, deportation may be immediate."
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_news/Swiss_wrestle_with_expelling_undesirables.html?cid=32659476 - International Service of the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation
Guet Nacht!
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| mishmash wrote: |
For all those "its illegal" commentators - this is the same forum that has 1600 post saying the ESF vs ski host decision - which is French National Law - is nonsense.
so slightly hypocritical no?
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mishmash,
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So you are on your ski holiday in France and the chalet host says:
"Buy me lunch and I'll ski with you today and show you some of the good off-piste spots that you will enjoy."
Do you say:
1) That would be cool
2) Not for me, I'm really an on piste skier
3) I'm calling the police, that is obviously illegal
I'm 100% sure that Masque and boredsurfin would do the right thing and call Les Flics, but I'd go for 1.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rungsp, perfect.
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| rungsp wrote: |
So you are on your ski holiday in France and the chalet host says:
"Buy me lunch and I'll ski with you today and show you some of the good off-piste spots that you will enjoy."
Do you say:
1) That would be cool
2) Not for me, I'm really an on piste skier
3) I'm calling the police, that is obviously illegal
I'm 100% sure that Masque and boredsurfin would do the right thing and call Les Flics, but I'd go for 1. |
I'm taking a walk in a park. A mother pushed a stroller in front of me and said "Watch my baby for 5 minutes and I'll buy you lunch".
I don't think I'll be calling any child wellfare agency. But I'll be buying my own lunch!
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abc,
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FFS anyone from the EU can easily get a 6/12 month L permit with or without a job...
It's a good deal if you want cheap accommodation for a ski season in Swissland 
If you don't then why does it even bother you...
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On a unrelated subject does anyone want a holiday in Bolivia? All expenses paid , just need my large box of Daz washing powder brought back to the UK.
Email me if you fancy a holiday.
Info@drugmule.com
No work permit required.
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Filthyphil30k,
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That's it - two amusing posts on this thread... that's the best it's going to get.
Good luck nixmap and to any snowHead who applies for the job (oh and good luck too to Masque and mishmash - you guys seem quite evenly matched in this contest at the moment).
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Filthyphil30k,
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had to agree to have the truck searched and all cameras removed to carry the load 
