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| ansta1 wrote: |
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lol..think i would be more Sony biased if that was the case.. 
thanks for the update
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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latest gossip. its going to be called the Hero3 plus and will be released in October, expect a product better than the hero 3 black but slightly more cost wise (not sure if that is now or before the discounted rates currently out there).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ansta1, my wallet is standing by for the normal Black edition.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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ansta1, link doesn't work on my phone, what price did they have them at?
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ansta1, link doesn't work on my phone, what price did they have them at?
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kitenski, $280 but sold out
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| meh wrote: |
| Awesomely useless... humans can't perceive the pixels on an average 1080p screen at normal viewing distances.. |
No, it's not useless.
There's no direct connection between the resolution you capture and the resolution of the device you're playing back on. You don't just turn the camera on and then stream the output to Vimeo! No one is going to use footage without post processing it, even if it's only stitching clips together and dealing with the sensor mosaic. Cropping in post is basic and extremely common, and any form of stabilization in post is likely to involve some crop. Although there is some subtlety to it, in general more pixels are better.
POV cameras are different from camcorders. For family videos like that one included then they're probably a better choice than a POV camera as they're much more flexible. You may also want to consider the Blackmagic and more serious cameras, which will give you significantly better results, with shallow depth of field and Protune-type "raw" capability. For stabilization you really need some sort of external stabilization device - the Glidecam produces stunning results for example and is relatively simple.
Marketing-wise, it seems to me that GoPro is in the game of persuading you that what you have isn't as good as the new model. So they don't necessarily need to charge you more for the next machine, they just need to make you want to switch to it. Most GoPro footage is seen in tiny displays on Vimeo or mobile phones, so although 4K's not useless, in my view practical 4K isn't likely to be enough to make me dump a 3b for a 4. But it may make some people switch from the 2 to the 4... They could easily improve the form factor. Dropping the price doesn't drive repeat sales from existing customers.
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good points philwig, and remember for those that have been blinded by the marketing folks 4k is not 4 times 1080p... far from it in fact.
1080p - the 1080 comes from the vertical number of pixels but in 4k its measured in the horizontal plane
1080p - 1920 * 1080
4k (as in 4k television or video recording as we know it) - 3840 * 2160
So Your 4k TV is actually only twice the (edit) vertical (edit) resolution.
See what they did there the sneeky bu66ers
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| philwig wrote: |
| meh wrote: |
| Awesomely useless... humans can't perceive the pixels on an average 1080p screen at normal viewing distances.. |
No, it's not useless.
There's no direct connection between the resolution you capture and the resolution of the device you're playing back on. You don't just turn the camera on and then stream the output to Vimeo! No one is going to use footage without post processing it, even if it's only stitching clips together and dealing with the sensor mosaic. Cropping in post is basic and extremely common, and any form of stabilization in post is likely to involve some crop. Although there is some subtlety to it, in general more pixels are better.
POV cameras are different from camcorders. For family videos like that one included then they're probably a better choice than a POV camera as they're much more flexible. You may also want to consider the Blackmagic and more serious cameras, which will give you significantly better results, with shallow depth of field and Protune-type "raw" capability. For stabilization you really need some sort of external stabilization device - the Glidecam produces stunning results for example and is relatively simple.
Marketing-wise, it seems to me that GoPro is in the game of persuading you that what you have isn't as good as the new model. So they don't necessarily need to charge you more for the next machine, they just need to make you want to switch to it. Most GoPro footage is seen in tiny displays on Vimeo or mobile phones, so although 4K's not useless, in my view practical 4K isn't likely to be enough to make me dump a 3b for a 4. But it may make some people switch from the 2 to the 4... They could easily improve the form factor. Dropping the price doesn't drive repeat sales from existing customers. |
Nice rant philwig, only I was calling 4K TVs awesomely useless not 4K video. I'm well aware why you might want to shoot at a higher resolution than your media will be delivered in. 
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kitenski, a good offer, but just to clarify the black comes with the remote as part of the package. still a good price though.
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Seen a few people (Ted Ligety, Daron Rahlves) with a new GoPro over the last few weeks, didn't get a chance to talk with them about it, but the housing looks completely different from how it used to, basically looked the same size as the 3 without the housing. Might just be a new mount, but possibly the GoPro 4.
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You know it makes sense.
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jimmer, could certainly be possible, but also could just be the blurfix adaptor as they are now widely used and even used by gopro. I am being told 1st of october is the date it will be announced.
blurfix here :- http://www.actioncameras.co.uk/blurfix-gopro-lens
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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ansta1, sounds promising if they can delivery better battery life 
On a train who internet has blocked that jpg though!!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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another online retailer inadvertently published a release, page has since been taken down but the headline specs were :-
20% smaller and lighter housing (waterproof to 131’/40m) (it's thinner and lighter so not as strong hence the 40m as opposed to the 60m of the current housing)
SuperView video mode captures the world’s most immersive wide angle perspective (Your guess is as good as mine but could be a preset 4:3 stretched to 16:9)
Auto Low Light intelligently adjusts frame rate for stunning low light performance (again going to be preset (aka green mode) which forces the camera to use a slower shutter speed for low light shots)
33% improved image sharpness and reduced distortion (see new lens)
Faster built-in Wi-Fi for enhanced connectivity to the Wi-Fi Remote (included) and GoPro App (might actually be able to live view or stream properely and file transfer times would be better)
25% longer battery life (good move, but will wait to see how they have achieved it)
Upgraded audio performance (mostly due to the thinner housing I would suspect plus some better audio algorithms).
Date is still said to be tomorrow, no details on prices yet.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ansta1, cheers, all sounds very promising esp if they can keep it close to the current pricing....
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ansta1, thanks, that all sounds good. Might be tempted to upgrade from my 2 to the new 3+
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kitenski, word is it will be there or thereabouts, given the specs update (if it's accurate).
rob@rar, If I've got someof them by Nov, you are welcome to play with the 3 and 3+ in Tignes if you like and have time.
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ansta1, I'll be in Tignes as well, so if you've got them by then that would be fantastic!
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ansta1, for the 'normal' user of a cam like this and probably used 3 weeks a year plus bikes and occasional diving will i see any difference or easier to use by having the new cam or is the existing black likely to tick all the box's? very subjective i know but i can probably pick up a black for circa 200 and not sure if another 170ish will give me 'justified' feeling.
when are they likely to be available to purchase?
thanks
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MogulMonkey, There are a couple of things to consider I guess.
For most users the black has more than enough quality and options and whilst the potentially slightly smaller and lighter form factor may be a selling factore some, I would guess this will have limited selling appeal. The option of 'green options' Pre-defined settings, low light and super wide, may be a point that some want to take advantage of but these don't provide huge benefits for anyone who uses them regularly and understands the existing options well.
What may be a big advantage is the underlying hardware/software and the enhanced wifi. There are existing users who have had quite a few hardware and software issues with the HD3B and as a result over the past 12 months Gopro have been bringing in tighter controls over their software and hardware development with much more of it now in house. If this provides a more stable platform then for me at least it would be worth the upgrade (though personally I have had few real issues with the existing setup thus far).
Enhanced wifi will be a bonus if it's true. The existing connection is very slow, live preview delay is about 3-5 seconds and downloading video off the camera over wifi is almost pointless as of right now. If they have improved this significantly again this will be a big selling point for some, me included.
And as for availability, your guess is as good as mine but I would expect any early stock to fly off the shelves. So If you want soon one order quickly as I would expect the second wave to be in stock for christmas orders to be fulfilled.
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That's a great link and some interesting screen shots folk captured..
So if I read that, silver+ becomes equivalent in power to the current Black, but smaller, lighter with better battery life??
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kitenski, that's the way I read it also so if we go back a bit.
HD1 = HD2 white in new form factor with built in wifi (and a few other bits)
HD2 - HD2 silver in new form factor with built in wifi (and few other bits)
HD3 Black
which is now
HD3 Silver+ = HD3 Black
HD3 Black + = better stuff.
I think there is more specs not being shouted out about the HD3B+ The interesting thing is, is this just an update and realignment of the 3 range (to get rid of HD2 comparison) or are they using this to test out some of the other hardware/software elements of the HD4 which is still being reported in places.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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sounds good, better battery, faster wifi, better lens....
And for the Silver+ they say
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| The Silver edition won't have the new lens, SuperView, Auto Low Light, or things like 4K @ 15fps or 2.7K @ 30FPS. It will, however, have the new and improved battery, and it can now shoot 1080p @ 60FPS and 720p @ 120FPS. |
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Poster: A snowHead
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I would be going to a bricks and mortar retailer and asking for big discounts if you don't need the additional stuff with the plus model as it's officially no longer sold by gopro.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sorry its not a rumour - its a fact.
Just purchased my 3+black, only problem is i cant get it until i collect from my daughter in the states which will be in 16 days time. Also purchased a wrist housing so will be using that in 21 days time in hawaii
saved nearly £100 by purchasing in USA from UK prices.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I will update the thread title shortly. Wrist mount is on my view next to useless. It does have some options but has some issues. Also waiting to find out official bit rates of the new camera (even though I have 2 on the way). Following the SanDisk issues the latest firmware ensured that any SanDisk cards were limited to 35mbit/s whereas I'd you used certain other cards you could get the full 45 or so. Following that gopro robed SanDisk from their officially supported micro sdhc card list but as of today with the plus they are back on the approved list.
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ansta1, wrist strap is for diving,( seems to be a safe option for the cam being secured underwater and can be directed at whaty i want to film when required) probably will never get used when skiing.
be interested to see your view on cards to use.
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| MogulMonkey wrote: |
| be interested to see your view on cards to use |
+1 (for the 3 Black if that makes a difference).
I've used the wrist housing for swimming and riding rollercoasters. Worked well for that, but can't imagine using it for skiing.
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rob@rar, so your the Rob that just bought that 2nd hand black then 
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kitenski,
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I was wondering with the wrist mount, if you had it pointing back at your face, for deep powder shots, would that work???
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| kitenski wrote: |
| I was wondering with the wrist mount, if you had it pointing back at your face, for deep powder shots, would that work??? |
Stick on on the end of your ski pole for a wider angle, or stick it on the front of your helmet and point it at your face for a closer shot. Both are better options than the wrist mount IMO.
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The wrist mount works in (in my view) a very limited set of situations. The problem with it is that it basically flaps about, there are some elastic band mods which help but basically the wrist needs to be pretty static for it to work well and wouldnt in my experience work in most skiing or boarding situations.
as for the cards these guys know their stuff and here are the cards that really work in the hero3 black and will give you the full bit rate that the camera can achieve. The majority of issues with the black are down to the class 10 cards (mainly the sandisk officially pimped by gopro at release) not beng able to keep up with the consistent data rates when writing to the card causing it to lock up.
http://www.hobbymounts.co.uk/shop/GoPro-Hero-3-Memory-Cards
some other quick tips.
never connect the camera directly to a pc or laptop always take the card out and use a reader.
charge the batteries and camera off of a decent usb charger (external) wasabi do good battery chargers and batteries.
format the card before putting in camera and then do a delete all in the camera to setup the file structure the way gopro firmware wants it to be setup.
firmware updates can be troublesome (apart from 1) mine have all worked and i have lots of gopros, but the safest and most consistent way is to put the follow the instructions for a card to camera update. That is download fimrware copy to card and update firmware from card to camera and not via usb link from laptop (see point 1) and also be patient the hd3 firmware can take a while (sometimes over 5 minutes) so give it time and dont be quick to panic.
There are tips and tricks to getting out of problems, before panicking and bricking the camera stop and ask.
update the laptop or pc as the 3 is pretty hungry in terms of processing.
unless yu know what uou are doing with editing and colour balance dont use protune, it will make the images look flat and soft out of the camera as they are designed to be processed (imaging a raw image in dslr terms)
happy to help out with issues,
Andy
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