 Poster: A snowHead
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fatbob, Look at the video on their website. The old detectors were big. The new ones are very small and light.
Incidentally, if a mobile phone can reflect the signal then surely that is a good thing? You might get a false hit from a mislaid phone, but it's more likely to be still in the pocket of a trapped skier.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Up-to-date details on Recco here:
http://www.recco.com/the-recco-system
The detector may have undergone a few developments since you last saw one.
I've used the latest one and was impressed enough to pick up some reflectors to add to our ever growing equipment pile.
Update: oops! Foxtrotzulu beat me to it 
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
| flowa, Your comment appeared in the midst of a discussion about RECCO. I assume you are talking about the Cambridge system, and not RECCO? |
Quite right. I had a look at the Cambridge video earlier this morning and didn't look at what the conversation was up to before chucking in my crappy opinion 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skiwithease, Mobile phone app is a bad idea. If the new RECCO dectectors are that small and affordable enough to resorts that there can be one in every patrol shack then Robson is even less justified. If they can reflect off existing electronics so much the better.
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fatbob, Agreed mobile phone app not great, for all kind of reasons that have been mentioned in previous posts including your post from where I referenced the link. Was just pointing out tech ideas and concepts as stepping stones to better piste safety, awareness to the masses and increasing ones odds. Thanks for sharing
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Its also interesting that some of the new transceivers for next season have a recco reflector built into them
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Not sure why anyone would consider the Cambridge product when a Pieps Freeride transceiver can be picked up for £85 in the UK.
Small enough even for a 5 year old to slip into his pocket.
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A better idea for a piece of on-piste ski equipment that would protect skiers on-piste, but not upset so many SHs, would be something that would protect skiers against on-piste chamois attacks. I mean, they CAN happen, and even be fatal. If some SH could invent something here they could make millions with right marketing (would mobile phone app that makes sound of barking dog when you get charged work?)
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
fatbob, Look at the video on their website. The old detectors were big. The new ones are very small and light.
Incidentally, if a mobile phone can reflect the signal then surely that is a good thing? You might get a false hit from a mislaid phone, but it's more likely to be still in the pocket of a trapped skier. |
Interesting.
Looks like it folds, so would easily fit in a pack. Any info on how fast/effective/easy a search is compared to with a tranny? Assuming they continue to get smaller/lighter, could there ever be a day when they replace standard transcievers (for companion rescue)? Or are/likely to remain a lot more expensive? Any inherent differences in range/accuracy between the two technologies?
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RECCO - a real experience.
A friend, a pisteur at Valmorel, found a buried holiday maker within a couple of minutes of arriving on scene using the RECCO kept in the pisteurs hut. The young man's father alerted the pisteurs having received a call from his daughter who was also caught in the avalanche but was not completely buried and managed to call her Dad using her phone. Very lucky.
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You know it makes sense.
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From Recco site:
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| RECCO® reflectors do not prevent avalanches, nor do they guarantee location or survival of a buried or lost person. Reflectors are also not a substitute for an avalanche rescue beacon. However, when someone needs more help than their friends can provide, RECCO® reflectors do provide another chance. |
The new Recco detectors can also pick up a normal transceiver not sure if the 30m range is through pure snow though?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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marksavoie, Exactly what RECCO should be for, and I stand mightily corrected on my post above re the old kit. I'm a bit disturbed by the coverage RECCO boast about in the Unofficial link above 11 receivers is pretty pitiful for Whistler Blackcomb and the surrounding areas.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I don't ride much at resorts, and I don't take a transceiver when I do. The published stats show that the death rate at resorts is remarkably low. Avalanche deaths on piste are going to be way lower. Ignoring that, and the clear risk from Chamois, you'd be better off taking steps to reduce your risk of death driving to the resort than worrying about this.
Transmit-only devices... it's a lot of technology for people to screw up... and they can't test that it's working correctly if they've no receiver! If herds of package tourists turn up with these things then searches would probably take longer as you'd never get them all to turn the suckers off!
If a celebrity gets caught but not killed whilst wearing one then you'll all be using them pretty soon. I doubt very much your insurance company would give you a discount for using one, QED.
Helis can fly in remarkably poor weather. Snow's not a problem unless it's the wrong temperature or unless there's enough of it to reduce visibility below the legal minimum. Even then, if you're in trouble they can fly in very poor conditions, although you may not want to be a passenger.
If people at resorts all have mobile phones, then just flying around with a small base station with a few bells on it would allow you to locate everyone pretty quickly. In fact if you just put a bit of radio technology on each lift tower, you could easily construct a dynamic map of everyone with a mobile phone, if it was legal. Then you could automatically pull the tickets of the people ducking ropes.
I don't think I'll bother walking the 30 seconds from where I'm sitting to their office to take a look.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The only proper use I can see for the Cambridge device is as a cheap transmitter for use during training with real transceivers. I'm not sure why they don't market it as such, rather than as a solution to an imaginary problem. I actually almost feel sorry for the guy, throwing his money away on such a deluded venture.
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