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This has been in the news since yesterday. Lindsey Vonn has been training a couple of times a year at an Austrian training center sponsored by Red Bull. The person who runs the center is Dr. Bernt Pansold, who was heavily involved in the former East German athlete doping program. While Vonn has never tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, her association with Dr. Pansold does raise some suspicion. The New York Daily News has been printing the results of its investigation of Dr. Pansold.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/red-flag-lindsey-vonn-red-bull-east-german-drug-doctor-article-1.1349830
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This is the third thread about it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So where are the other two threads? Maybe the moderators can merge them all together.
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It's also been picked up by the Daily Fail.
It only says that she has met him a couple of times each season although the implication as to why you would want to see a performance Doctor with such a background is strongly hinted at.
Personally, and I am happy to be corrected here, I can't see the benefit that performance enhancing drugs would give a ski racer. Isn't 95% of it technique and mental input?
I can see how they improve cycling. Having cycled up the hill to Val Thorens just a tiny difference to max v02 or endurance would have a big impact. Not sure additional strength or endurance would give a gain that might be worth the risk in ski racing.
Just going to that Doc doesn't look good though.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Personally, and I am happy to be corrected here, I can't see the benefit that performance enhancing drugs would give a ski racer. Isn't 95% of it technique and mental input?
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Anything that will boost performance in the areas of strength and anaerobic endurance would give an athlete the edge. Ski racing is really not just about technique and mental approach. The current world cup athletes (and those down to a much lower level) are immensely fit and strong. Performance enhancing drugs could be used to help with this side of things.
Hans Knauss tested positive for the anabolic steroid, Nandrolone - http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=1965196
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| Isn't 95% of it technique and mental input? |
There's no single top level sport, where hard work wouldn't play biggest role. Ok alpine skiing comes closest of all to this, since these guys mostly have no idea what hard work really is, but still  But then again, I agree with their current conditions doping wouldn't help, except as placebo, since there's more then enough space to improve their condition without doping. Most of time you have doping to be able to train more then you already do. But you need this once you are on limit, where training more is just not possible anymore without some extra stuff.
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| primoz wrote: |
| emwmarine wrote: |
| Isn't 95% of it technique and mental input? |
There's no single top level sport, where hard work wouldn't play biggest role. Ok alpine skiing comes closest of all to this, since these guys mostly have no idea what hard work really is, but still But then again, I agree with their current conditions doping wouldn't help, except as placebo, since there's more then enough space to improve their condition without doping. Most of time you have doping to be able to train more then you already do. But you need this once you are on limit, where training more is just not possible anymore without some extra stuff. |
you obviously have no medical background if thats what you believe!
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Martin Bell,
Am I right in thinking that he didn't race after this though? There have been at least a couple of cases where athletes have tested positive but were later proven not to be intentional doping or were just because of substances not normally found in the otc items they had taken.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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dudleyf, Do you actually believe some of that nonsense?
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You know it makes sense.
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Are you drunk, or did you really believe that?
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Have any of the trainers tried the special Red Bull?
Jan: One of the female trainers did because we ran out of Red Bull in the employee refrigerator. After finishing the can, she was able to lift twice her body weight with one hand. I can only imagine how strong she would have been if she only drank the athletes' Red Bull. |
Red Bull must be taking tips from Pop-eye!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Samerberg Sue, I've never heard of it!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ironsidexx, follow the link given above - you'll enjoy the irony then look at some of the other reports. It is basically a blog and a bloody funny one at that as opposed to many of the stuffier ones I've read.
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Philbo, more details here:
http://www.skiracing.com/?q=node/6882
He was given a 2 year ban which was reduced to 18 months.
Hans was undoubtedly nearing the end of his career in any case at that point.
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