spyderjon, what are they going to sell for? seeing prices quoted of USD1000
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Arno, I've heard €800 bandied around...
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After all it is free
clarky999, cripes!
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Just spotted that I've left the first climbing bar cover the tech pins on the heel which makes it look a bit weird - I'll take a better pic later. UK list £790, euro list €900. Only 2500 being made with only 20 coming to the UK. I've got a few coming which are sold & I'm trying to get more. Already have one person on a waiting list.
Arno, I've already sussed out the screw spec for Quiver Killers so you'll only have to buy one pair
davidof, yep, that's a pivoting toe with an elastic mechanism.
The son of one of my customers this afternoon said the heel looked like a little rocket engine
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spyderjon, how much to they weight (pair)?
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spyderjon, how much to they weight (pair)?
935g for a single toe & heel versus 1300g for a small Duke or 1380g for a small Duke EPF. And it's still lighter than the Baron/F12/F10/Fritschi's. But of course when in hike mode you've got the usual key two Dynafit benefits of a natural stride & not having to lift the frame/heel binding every stride.
In comparison to alpine only bindings it's lighter than anything on the market excepts perhaps for the lowest end cheap plasticy offerings but it's quite a bit heavier than a pure touring Radical ST at 535g or the Radical FT 599g (although most FT users don't fit the the connecting plate to save 48g).
It's very much designed to give the benefits of a frameless touring binding with the skiability/retention/elasticity of an alpine binding. I've mounted them up & when rotating a boot in them you can easily see the large amount of elasticity both in rotational travel at the toe & heel but also in the toe posts. It's basically a pivot binding front & rear.
The other feature that I immediately noticed was the ease of clicking-in which is always equivalent to 4 din irrespective of the release setting - compared to the Duke/Baron's which are really difficult to click in even at 9/10 din let alone higher.
I've torque tested them on my machine & they're spot on plus to can also see how direct the metal-to-metal connection is of the tech inserts between the boot & binding compared to an AT boot in a Duke when you can see the 'squidge' in the vibram sole softening the interface.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
Recent intel suggests that Dynafit will not permit sales online so you'll have to go to a shop to buy them. Also says to expect variations on the Beast theme below a 16 DIN to hit a lower price point.
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spyderjon, Looks like something to trap grizzly bears with..............but supremely naughty all the same
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I'm waiting for the bugs to be found and ironed out and the price to come down. I'd like the better release and increased confidence in not bouncing out of them on landing but even jumping off stuff I don't release unexpectedly out of normal Dynafits that often.
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meh, I have had hardly any unexpected releases out of my Dynafits either. However, it's the occasions I don't release when I know that an Alpine binding would have done that'd be my incentive to trade-up.
If the hints at a reasonable price point version for say a DIN 12 variant are right, then I'd probably sell off 2 perfectly good pairs of Dynafits and a pair of Barons to fund one pair of Beasts. It's the redrilling that could be the more expensive obstacle, i.e. if they can't be mounted in the same Quiver Killered holes meaning new skis are required to get centre balance right.
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Nice
Unfortunately they are 2-3 times the combined cost of touring bindings plus alpine bindings plus two sets of quiver killers
Recent intel suggests that Dynafit will not permit sales online so you'll have to go to a shop to buy them. Also says to expect variations on the Beast theme below a 16 DIN to hit a lower price point.
AFAIK only bricks'n'mortar dealers who also take their skis/boots have access to them but there's no restriction on those dealers selling them on line. However due to the limited supply & with the margins on Dynafit bindings not being the greatest it's likely that the dealers that get them will only sell them to regular customers or to customer who are buying ski/binding packages. I've sold mine on that basis & have a couple of people on a waiting list but I'm first in the queue to get more if available
Potential buyers need to be aware that the brake levers are not interchangeable so when sharing the bindings across multiple skis with Quiver Killers you need to be careful what brake width you select from the choice of 90mm, 105mm, 120mm & 135mm. However dealers had to place their orders with specified brake widths ages ago so I've only got 120's coming which are still ok on skis down to about 95mm underfoot. One of my customers wants to share the bindings across skis covering widths of 90-130mm underfoot so when his arrive I'll be cutting off the levers & fitting the bindings with B&D Ski Leashes
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now all they need to come up with are tech insert boots that dont feel like wet noodles !!
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Flaine skier wrote:
Nice .
Unfortunately they are 2-3 times the combined cost of touring bindings plus alpine bindings plus two sets of quiver killers
Dunno how you figure that out. Dynafit Radicals are £400-£450 depending on the model & a decent alpine binding is gonna be £150 min so that's £550-£600 plus a dual QK mount on the same ski &, depending upon whether you fit the inserts yourself or not, then you're close to if not over £700.
One of my customers wanted to dual mount new Dukes & new Radicals so he's bought one pair of Beast for the same price
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skimottaret wrote:
now all they need to come up with are tech insert boots that dont feel like wet noodles !!
They did last year: the Mercury (genuine 120 flex) & the Vulcan (genuine 130 flex - many reckon more with the tongue installed). Of course anyone who's 7ft & 20st is always gonna struggle
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spyderjon, My Fritschi freeride pros were £225 and my peak 12's were £55 plus the quiver killer inserts...
Plus I'd also need new boots for the beast...
But yes you're right, if I already had dynafit boots and I was using quality bindings instead of the cheap ones that I have... then not much difference.
If I get into proper touring rather than max 2 hours from lifts I'll look at new boots for dynafits, and then given that I need some sort of dynafit binding the beast will probably be my preferred choice
still expensive though...
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Think I'll hang on to the Vertical STs for a while yet.
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moffatrosssorry matey but the Beast has a different mounting hole pattern to the Rads/Verts - & they also clash with the Rad/Vert locations so unless you offset the mount it's gonna be new ski time.
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Hmmm ... Thanks, spyderjon. I expect that the Dynafit engineers were convinced that there were design compromises using existing mounting points so had to go for a 'clean sheet design' eh ?
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moffatross, Good excuse for new skis
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
One for the all the gear and no idea set methinks
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moffatross wrote:
Also says to expect variations on the Beast theme below a 16 DIN to hit a lower price point.
Now that is VERY interesting... Any more info?
Poster: A snowHead
Poster: A snowHead
Chris Sword, Dynafit’s North American president ...
"All alpine skiers are our target group. One binding that can do it all—better than any other binding, combining full alpine skiing function with the 30 years of experience in the frameless Dynafit backcountry system. Lowest weight, lowest stand height, great ramp angle, zero lifted weight, full release function with maximum downhill performance and exceptional Dynafit uphill performance. You can imagine then, we will plan to enlarge our collection and offer various price points to enable most skiers to become a Beast. And yes—most people don’t need DIN 16—therefore you can expect variations."
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moffatross, thanks. Lets hope it's already in the pipeline!
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Could somebody enlighten me as to what the benefit of these is over other touring bindings? not know much about it at all I just can't why these cost so much more than the dynafits & also are a lot heavier?
Could somebody enlighten me as to what the benefit of these is over other touring bindings? not know much about it at all I just can't why these cost so much more than the dynafits & also are a lot heavier?
advantage over regular dynafits: you can do jumps and stuff without losing skis or breaking your bindings
advantage over other types of touring binding: they are lighter and don't have a bar under the boot
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mag1882, 'safer' Alpine range of release plus the low 'lifted weight' that you'll only get with Dynafits/Plums. Seems the perfect do everything binding to me, if, in time, their price becomes sensible.
mag1882, what moffatross said plus they are more elastic so you are less likely to pre-release skiing crud at speed and landing drops onto harder snow. Then it has all the advantages of normal Dyanfits and it still weighs less than the equivalent frame binding. The other contender in the same vein is the CAST system which is even more specialised really.
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A real "Gamechanger" IMO, we've played around all spring with them and the Dynafit Team, during the Face Nord Crazy season! We've 5 pairs, not sure what policy we'll adpot with selling them, probably keep them for the loyal crew, reckon we could easily sell 20 of them, no matter what price.
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meh, We'll have Cast too, the boys are going to be touring France in our Van, skiing and setting up a network, we like it and can see them building a manner of different interfaces for other bindings too.
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Just heard that a few people have started buying them up, and will hold on/out to push up the price! You gotta love it! Haven't seen this since Salomon launched the X Scream series.
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.....reckon we could easily sell 20 of them, no matter what price.
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I expect that the Dynafit engineers were convinced that there were design compromises using existing mounting points so had to go for a 'clean sheet design' eh ? 
