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Skiind around Moguls

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FlyingStantoni, you might have already seen this clip but it really is worth watching

from
http://vimeo.com/20522034

Sorry cannot the video embed link is above.
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Great video Elston.
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To give it my 2 pence worth, constant speed (ie/not accelerating) and rhythm are key to successful mogul skiing. I would disagree with people saying about using edge checking to control speed. This would suggest accelerating and then slowing down, which is not condusive to keeping a good rhythm. A strong rhythmical pole plant is essential.

Like Clarky999 said, side-slipping with skis perpendicular to the slope and flattening the skis will give you the correct position of your skis for mogul skiing ie/ flatter to the slope BUT you don't need to edge check to slow yourself down because after a short time of side-slipping, you'll notice that you will no longer accelerate and will keep side-slipping at a constant speed. Try this on both sides, concentrating on your weaker side and then linking with pivot turns. Later adding a pole plant, all of this on an easy blue before taking it to the bumps.

This constant speed is then maintained in the bumps by keeping your skis in contact with the snow at all times and therefore it's VITAL to get the tips of your skis back in contact with the snow as soon as possible after going over a bump. As well as using your legs like shock absorbers and bringing them up under you and extending out, there needs to be some backwards movement of the feet at the 'top' of the bump to help get the tips down and in contact with the snow, as well as forwards movement of the feet at the bottom as you start to go up a bump.

A strong core is require to stop collapsing at the waist and reading the bumps a bit further head helps you pick a line that gives you a chance of building a bit of rhythm and getting a feel for it, as does being pretty damn fit!!
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Pablito, ummm, perhas it's just how you experssed that but I am afraid, as a barrack room skier, that I disagree on a few points.

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constant speed (ie/not accelerating) and rhythm are key to successful mogul skiing


Neither. Talking at a non competitive level, you want to be able to speed up, slow down and turn without rhythm. Rhythm would dictate your turns. You don't want that.

Rhythmical pole plant is definitely not desirable as your pole plant is a necessary part of turn initiation and has therefore nothing to do with rhythm. You want rhythm? take up the drums.

Edge checking is kind of fun. Not necessary, but sometimes useful.

Just my opinion... snowHead snowHead
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Pablito and under a new name, I agree with you both Happy

I'd argue that, as a general aspiration, you want your Centre of Mass to be travelling at a constant speed down the hill. But that your skis and feet will be speeding up and slowing down.

As an aspriation, you want to keep a constant rhythm, but have the flexibility to adapt the terrain.

I completely agree with Pablito that snow contact is king.
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OK I will start with the normal rider - I am not very good at skiing moguls. But I do like them and if a resort has none I feel let down. To me the real fun of skiing is a steep mogul field.

IMHO there are 4 ways to ski moguls:

The zip line - skiing constantly in the troughs, working like ***** and effectively a series of very short carved turns

Compression turns - absorb the bump with the knees and skid down the back side

The pivot turn - get to top of the bump, almost stop and pivot the skis then ski to the next bump.

Pretend they are not there and ski as normal just absorbing the bumps as they come.

Which method to use when is the $64000 question

John
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johnE, I'd agree with everything except your characterisation of the zip line.

To ski the zip line you need to rotate and edge the least - otherwise you wouldn't be able to ski it.

When each of the approaches? It depends on the bump...
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FlyingStantoni, hmmm. OK. Yes. Maybe I now see better what Pablito, meant. Especially as an aspiration - i.e. "I want to be able to ski bumps like that"...

I would re-argue though that to get there you need to be able to ski with non-constant CoM speed and no rhythm at all.

johnE, I'd argue there is really only one way to ski bumps and it involves eash of the modalities that you describe, in varying degrees, depending... snowHead

Unless you're GSing them. In which case, ignore them and go fast enough that you don't need to much absorption.
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