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Hi there! Been studying the SHLF piste map. It is not clear if the blue 7 connects Schattberg West and Ost? From West, is it possible to cut across to Ost to ski down to Volderglemm? Grateful for any advice on this please.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Ski4sanity, yes you can do 7-4-2a - or 7-4-A5 up to the top of Ost. Although the bottom of 2a can get a bit mucky if it's warm
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Many thanks for clarifying, much appreciated!
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There’s some helpful advice here on the likely snow conditions for SH in mid December. I’m just wondering if the same generally positive comments would apply to Leogang, noting it is lower than SH. Would skiing down to Leogang in mid December be possible typically? Many thanks.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Ski4sanity, the runs into Leogang should be open, they have snow making on them, if you are taking 204 the last bit is quite flat through Leogang cut over and take the black which isn't too bad, there are worse reds!
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Great, thank you @radar. Looking forward to discover SHLF this season!
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How long does it take to get from bottom of Bernkogel to Fieberbrunn and back skiing at a leisurely pace?
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@kb36, say half an hour to get to the summit of the Bernkogel (that’s being generous - maybe a bit less).
Then say 15 minutes to ski down to and then ride up the ReiterOst chair.
Then say 20 minutes to ski down to the bottom of the valley and get on the TirolS gondola.
Then 15 minutes to get up to the top of the TirolS and Reckmoos Sud gondolas.
Then 30 minutes to ski down to the bottom in Fieberbrunn.
So a couple of hours there. Probably a bit quicker coming back, as there’s more riding on lifts and less skiing.
Bear in mind that the TirolS gondola to get back you back from the bottom of the valley between the Reiterkogel and Reckmoos Sud closes at 4.00pm, and the Wetterkreuz chairlift to get you back to the top of the Bernkogel closes at 4.15pm. It shouldn’t take more than 5-10 minutes to ski between the two, probably less for anyone reasonable.
Bear in mind also that you can get all the way to Fieberbrunn and back (from the summit of the Reiterkogel) by riding on gondolas. I once took a very nervous, unconfident, unfit skier there for the day. In addition to the above mentioned gondolas (which anyone must take to get uphill), she took the following gondolas downhill to avoid challenging red runs: TirolS, Reckmoos Nord (going), and Reckmoos Sud (coming back).
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@kb36, in case it helps, I prepared this a few years ago. I don’t think anything has changed, except as noted at the end.
ITINERARY 3 – Day trip to Fieberbrunn (Weak/Good Intermediates)
An enjoyable and satisfying excursion to a scenic and relatively quiet corner of the Ski Circus, which can be adapted to suit different grades of skier by utilising the gondola cable cars.
1. Take the Bernkogelbahn gondola and then the Bernkogel 6er to the summit of the Bernkogel
2. Take blue piste 147 or red piste 148 to the Reiter-Ost 6er chair lift
3. From the summit of the Reiterkogel, less confident skiers can take the TirolS gondola down into the valley in the direction of Fieberbrunn. Good intermediates can ski down blue piste 87 and then turn left onto red piste 125 (which has a few steep sections and is a relatively challenging red run). Meet anyone who has taken the gondola at the bottom.
4. All then take the second leg of the TirolS gondola up the other side of the valley, changing to the Reckmoos Sud gondola after a short distance.
5. At the top of the latter gondola, less confident skiers can descend towards Fieberbrunn in the Reckmoos Nord gondola, whilst good intermediates can take red piste 121. On this run there is the option to take black piste 121a for a short distance – this is a short and easy black, which many people prefer to the red.
6. Meet up at the bottom, and all get in the Reckmoos Nord gondola (E1) for the short second leg.
7. All take red piste 110a down to Fieberbrunn. This is a long, undulating and very attractive run through the trees. It is a relatively easy red, and any slightly steeper sections are not likely to prove daunting to any skier who can handle the blue runs of Saalbach.
8. At the bottom, all take the Doischberg (yellow) gondola, and then take red piste 105 back to the bottom. This run is an absolute joy and is easier than most blue runs at Saalbach.
9. Then all take the Streuboden gondola, followed by the Larchfilzkogel gondola, to the summit of the Larchfilzkogel.
10. All take red piste 110, and after a very short distance turn left onto red piste 108a (if you miss the turning or 108a is closed, you can continue on 110 and get onto blue piste 110b and then 108)
11. Stop for lunch at the Wildalpgatterl restaurant – delicious home-made, typically Austrian food, including fresh, home-made bread.
12. Leave preferably by 2.30pm, and all take blue pistes 104 and 102 to the bottom (if pushed for time an alternative and possibly slightly quicker option would be to go up the Larchfilzkogel gondola and take red piste 110 to the Reckmoos Nord gondola).
13. From the bottom all take the Doischberg (yellow) gondola and then blue piste 106 to the Larchfilzen 4er chair lift.
14. All ski a very short distance down red piste 110 to the Reckmoos Nord gondola (keep an eye to the right and be careful not to overshoot it).
15. All take the Reckmoos Nord gondola (both stages) down to the valley bottom and then up the other side.
16. Less confident or tired skiers may prefer to take the Reckmoos Sud gondola, and then the TirolS gondola, down to the bottom of the valley in the direction of Saalbach. However red piste 122a/123 and blue piste 123a provide enjoyable alternative runs down. The blue piste is an easy track. The top section of 122a, before you get to the blue, is relatively easy and should not pose a problem for a less confident skier.
17. In good conditions it is possible to ski all the way to the bottom of the valley, taking blue piste 124 from the point where you change from the Reckmoos Sud gondola to the TirolS gondola.
18. Meet at the bottom to take the second leg of the TirolS gondola up the other side towards Saalbach (last gondola 4.00pm!!)
19. From the Reiterkogel take blue piste 87 to the Wetterkreuz 6er chair lift (this is a relatively short, but steep and sometimes busy/mogully blue, so a skier with tired legs might prefer to take the Reiter-Ost 6er chair lift down).
20. From the summit of the Bernkogel take blue piste 146 all the way down to Saalbach (there is the option to take the Bernkogelbahn gondola when you reach the top station).
21. A recommended pit stop on the way down is the Westernstadl restaurant on the right-hand side, a short distance beyond the top station of the Bernkogelbahn.
(Note: the Larchfilzkogel gondola, as of winter 2024/25 has been renamed Streuboden II, as the brand new Streuboden gondola replaces both the old Streuboden gondola and the Larchfilzkogel gondola. This will considerably speed up the time of ascent.)
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Tue 19-11-24 21:09; edited 2 times in total
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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@tatmanstours, thanks Richard, we've never made it over there in all the years we've been coming, did get pretty far into it one year but conditions were not the best (think a key run was actually closed), so it's still on the to do list. Main challenge is getting Ally out of his bed in the morning!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@kb36, let me know when - happy to guide you round Fieberbrunn (which I now know pretty well, including where to get a decent lunch).
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Poster: A snowHead
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Looking at the Challenge ski circuit on Saalbach.com, the route looks a bit like a jumbled plate of spaghetti lol. Unlike say the Sella Ronda or The White Ring, there does not seem to be an obvious circular route. Might anyone have a link to a better piste map showing the Challenge circuit please? Many thanks in advance.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Ski4sanity, it is certainly less ‘efficient’ than a loop such as the 4V where you will ski a lot further in the same time frame. In terms of interrogating the route the Saalbach app ‘home of LÄSSIG’ has an interactive map you can zoom in and out of very clearly follow ‘winter play - challenge’.
It’s certainly worth working out which parts of the route you need to do in which order and ideally which is the lift that is going to be the last of the day for you and it’s closing time. For us last year the most significant was getting the TirolS II from the other side (so kinda major) as we started above Hinterglemm and the Hausenauer.
But it is more chilled than some of the others - for example we had lunch 
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Great thank you! I was hoping to get a better sense of the entire loop and the interactive map on the app is also not terribly helpful when you’re not in the area. Not to worry, I’m sure we’ll muddle through lol.
Most helpful tip on noting the time of the last lift to connect back to the valley!
Thanks again.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Thank you @radar. This is helpful. Many thanks!
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| @kb36, let me know when - happy to guide you round Fieberbrunn (which I now know pretty well, including where to get a decent lunch). |
. 22 Feb to 1 March this season
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Has it snowed much? I’ve seen it’s snowing lots in the French alps.
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@kb36, (and anyone else heading to fieberbrunn) can heartily recommend @tatmanstours, itinerary above but would definitely add in "Timoks Alpine Coaster" at the top of the Streuboden lift. It's a lot of fun (and free!) and doesnt add much time to your day. It massively motivated the kids to traverse the whole piste map 
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@gilo, wrote: “ "Timoks Alpine Coaster" at the top of the Streuboden lift.”
As of this season, halfway up the Streuboden lift (since the Streuboden II lift now replaces the Lärchfilzkogel lift).
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Courtesy of the tourist office
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@tatmanstours, Thanks for all your helpful advice. I will be in Saalbach for the second week in January and would you kindly point out the excellent restaurant In Fieberbrunn mentioned in a previous post. A good lunch is an essential part of any ski day!
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@peter w, my favourite is the Wildalpgatterl - very traditional Austrian and characterful. It’s just above the mid-station of the Streuboden gondola, accessible using the short drag lift that takes you up a bit further, or by ascending the Lärchfilzkogel on Streuboden II and skiing down to it.
I also like the Hochhörndlhütte on the way back, just below the top on the Reckmoos Sud side. Good food/service, as has an off the beaten track feel.
And, although I seldom call, because I always seem to be heading somewhere, the Pulvermacher, next to the bottom station of the TirolS gondola, is also recommended: good food, reasonable prices and friendly service.
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You know it makes sense.
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@tatmanstours, Is the Wildalpgatterl the restaurant we went to the last time I was in the Ski Circus area. Your son Alex was with us that day and we met 'Spiderman' on the way back up the Streuboden afterwards?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Markscotski, Yes, just sent you a couple of photos of that occasion.
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